What do people think of SNW (spoiler free please)

Yeah I love TOS. Probably my favorite. I also like Berman era trek nearly as much. The heavoly serialized stuff like STD and STP I don't enjoy nearly as much.

 

Indeed. It takes those futuristic ideas in TOS and TMP and brings them forward in to the 21st century. Which is pretty cool, in my opinion.

 

It's not about recreating the past.

 

From what I have read within different fan circles that is absolutely the impression that I have seen expressed and desired. That is what is sought after, rather than allowing Trek to be a sandbox and to explore and utilize a variety of storytelling modalities to do it, which is what TOS did. Instead, trying to faithfully recreate not only the shows of the past, but also the feelings they produce in the audience member at the time.

 

Spoiler: Strange New Worlds...

I'll be honest, I find the Xenomorph Gorn just as silly as the guy in the rubber suit from the 1960's. Maybe more. Because it is clear that they leaned hard into Aliens, complete with Newt and it shows. All it needed for full-fledged camp would've been someone shouting "GAME OVER, MAN!!! GAME OVER!!!"

 

SAM KIRK, YOU HAD ONE JOB!!!

 

The only recreating of the past I desire from Star Trek is:
1. The enjoyment of watching an entertaining space adventure. One that actualy suspends my disbelief.
2. Story plots that maintain some consistant continuity of thought/plot from 1 episode to the other. ( in Discoverys and Picards past shows, continuity within a single episode itself would of been nice.
Key words: enjoyment, space adventure, and continuity.
In those terms, yes the past shows did that. So far SNW is the only new Trek that comes close.
Thats the only recreating I wish for.

 

Enjoyment and space adventure has been most of Trek for me. Maybe not Voyager.

 

Ahhhhhhh.... and is that because these new shows fail to create these same satisfying feelings? And WHY IS THAT? I think you hit the nail on the head. What happened to Star Trek? There are those of us who enjoyed the drama between Neelix and Kes. The annoying but satisfying episodes where Lwaxana embarrasses Deanna. The long talks between Jean-Luc and Beverly. Odo and Quark's cat and mouse game. The calm, cozy atmosphere of Enterprise-D and the hum of the ship. The calm, "clear" and intelligent dialogue. How Janeway calls officers into her ready room to yell at them in her own special way while enjoying a nice cup of coffee. Heck, even O'Brien, Keiko and Molly.

So there's something more basic about all of this. These earlier shows provide a more full spectrum drama with better casting, directing and mature dialogue. The ship or station is both a home and a workplace, characters are interesting, and you get to know them over time as the characters build a rapport with one another on a personal and professional capacity. And the twenty-some episodes per season contributed to the ability to pull this off, too. So does the design of the set.

 

Exactly. STD snd STP really don't have those qualities but SNW does. Pike talks to Spock about his future accident. Talks about death. M'Benga talks to number one about his daughter etc. These discussions are here in SNW just like TOS, TNG, all of Berman Trek.

 

Time did. I like SNW but it isn't the same as TOS, nor does it produce the same feelings.

 

I really don't care about canon or continuity, just try to keep it feeling like Star Trek and I'm usually good.

 

Yup. And only ENT failed on the feelz.

 

I thought Enterprise was generally solid, with some major flubs in the second season that they simply couldn't recover from.

 

Fair. YMMV but ENT couldn't capture me from Broken Bow.

 

Even though I stayed with it for a really long time, it is much the way I feel about Discovery.

 

I'll defend ENT on almost anything.

Except the criminal underuse of Travis. And "Precious Cargo." And the finale. And the excuses for the Season 3 and 4 theme remix. Because I'm a fan. I'm not insane.

 

If you're posting here, then you're insane...

Not that I would know anything about that.

 

I have more than a quarter of a million posts. I flipped and started writing manifestos in a shed LONG ago.

 

I suppose there's some wisdom to that. Time brings with it mediocrity. Sorta like classical music. If you asked a musicologist why there are no more Chopins, Mozarts, Beethovens, they'd probably tell you that would be recreating the past.