DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

[Grendelsbayne]

The one thing I assume based on no real knowledge whatsoever must be much better in the Snyder Cut is the action and visuals. Snyder has a signature style which a lot of people don't like much and honestly I don't always love it, either (though I did highly enjoy Man of Steel) but, with the sole exception of CG characters like Doomsday, all his dc stuff was a least good looking if not great looking as long as you can accept his style. The JL TC on the other hand was the ugliest thing I saw last decade and didn't have a single worthwhile action scene in it.

 

[Set Harth]

There are scenes in the Snyder cut that have the 300 vibe.

 

[JD]

i have zero doubt that any use of the suicide as 'coverage' was all the idea and insistence of the studio. A studio that has shown itself to not have a clue.

I could probably see that, as a collective corporations are pretty horrible overall.

ALL fandoms look like full on cults to me.

Some are overflowing with unhinged behavior, such as Elvis or Beatles fandom, with Star Wars and the MCU certainly doing their best to reach that level.

It's pretty crazy sometimes. Makes me wonder.

Oof, at the height of Prequel hatred Star Wars definitely got bad. Maybe not music fan levels but definitely enough to give me pause.

Both of the latter groups are already there in my eyes.

Yes, some of the comments, arguments and full-on personal investment into those franchises is rather alarming.

Yeah, it really does terrify me at times how obsessive some people get over these franchises. It's one thing to be a passionate fan, I love Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, DC, but it really scares me when you see "fans" threating people to kill or do other things to people over a decision made about a TV show or movie. That just takes things to a level that I just can't wrap my mind around.

 

[Mage]

Yeah, it really does terrify me at times how obsessive some people get over these franchises. It's one thing to be a passionate fan, I love Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, DC, but it really scares me when you see "fans" threating people to kill or do other things to people over a decision made about a TV show or movie. That just takes things to a level that I just can't wrap my mind around.

This is the number one reason I don't call myself a fan of anything anymore. I love Star Trek, Star Wars, the Jurassic franchise. But when I see how some fans go absolute insane when their expectations of a new chapter in a franchise isn't met.....
I'll just keep saying I really enjoy a show and be done with it.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

This is the number one reason I don't call myself a fan of anything anymore. I love Star Trek, Star Wars, the Jurassic franchise. But when I see how some fans go absolute insane when their expectations of a new chapter in a franchise isn't met.....
I'll just keep saying I really enjoy a show and be done with it.

I proudly say I'm a fan and call them liars as a fan of all of these franchises would have taken the lessons which are always about doing what's right to help out others and humanity with lessons on what happens if we don't. A fan would pick up on this. Therefore they aren't fans.

 

[Christopher]

I proudly say I'm a fan and call them liars as a fan of all of these franchises would have taken the lessons which are always about doing what's right to help out others and humanity with lessons on what happens if we don't. A fan would pick up on this. Therefore they aren't fans.

I agree. The toxic people who indulge in misogyny, racism, threats, and so forth aren't true fans, they're just bullies using fandom as an outlet for their hostility. The thing they truly love isn't a show or a movie or a book, it's getting attention by causing trouble.

 

[fireproof78]

This is the number one reason I don't call myself a fan of anything anymore. I love Star Trek, Star Wars, the Jurassic franchise. But when I see how some fans go absolute insane when their expectations of a new chapter in a franchise isn't met.....
I'll just keep saying I really enjoy a show and be done with it.

Indeed. Being a fan isn't worth it any more.

 

[Morpheus 02]

And Fishers response to the bot claim....

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/ray-fisher-zack-snyder-justice-league.html

He reminds me of a member of our local school council who had some legit points but sabotaged reception by how she said things....

Ah... the DC Film Universe

 

[Dee1891]

So the Snyderverse saga continues with this article, which reveals a lot of the shenanigans that led to the release of the Snyder cut. If it’s true, Snyder and his team really don’t emerge well from it https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-mov...tice-league-the-snyder-cut-bots-fans-1384231/

I don't care if it's true or not. I'm one of those who had signed a petition for the Snyder Cut of "Justice League" in the first place. What Whedon had done to the film back in 2017 was a lot worse. I wasn't impressed by how Warner Brothers had screwed over Snyder (for the second time in his career) in the first place.

I thought I liked the theatrical JL, but Snyder Cut made me realize that they pretty much butchered it. It didn't flow with the movies before it at ALL. Like I said - the mistake was hiring Snyder in the first place, but once they did they should have stuck to it at least until the end of his JL saga...

I don't think hiring Snyder was a mistake. Without the Snyderverse movies, I personally believe I would have found the DCEU movies dull as dishwater and second-rated attempts to copy the MCU. Which I believe has been in an artistic decline since 2016.


Why did Rolling Stone magazine report this information as rumors and not facts? I also heard a rumor that the writer of this article had a personal grudge against Ray Fisher. She had accused him of being in some conspiracy to remove Kiersey Clemons from "Justice League". He called her out and contradicted her accusation with evidence.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

And Fishers response to the bot claim....

https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/ray-fisher-zack-snyder-justice-league.html

He reminds me of a member of our local school council who had some legit points but sabotaged reception by how she said things....

Ah... the DC Film Universe

The article is interesting though, it shows they asked him to respond on Sunday at 5PM with no mention of a deadline and then when they didn't hear back the next day they say he "declined to comment". Reminds me of kids waking their parents up to ask permission to do something while they're barely awake hoping they'll be too groggy to realize what they've done.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Actually, it seems to me what it says is the reporter told him on Saturday the deadline for a comment was on Sunday at 6m then sent a second email on Sunday at 5pm saying the deadline was already passed and the story was going to print that he had declined to comment unless he responded right away.

Of course, that still means Fisher didn't respond and the reporter shortening the deadlin by an hour hardly seems like a fantastic gotcha moment, either. Though I also don't think a reporter should be writing stuff like 'x declined to comment' on the basis of nothing more than not receiving a response anyway.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I'm one of those who had signed a petition for the Snyder Cut of "Justice League" in the first place. What Whedon had done to the film back in 2017 was a lot worse. I wasn't impressed by how Warner Brothers had screwed over Snyder (for the second time in his career) in the first place.

Agreed. The Snyder Cut's existence did not occurt die to a handfull of people; from innumerable fans (incuding some industry pros), the call for the real vision for the JL film was nothing short of mass affirmation for Snyder's DCEU being the best / correct course, while rejecting the Saturday-morning sensibility + dim "humor" from Whedon.

I don't think hiring Snyder was a mistake. Without the Snyderverse movies, I personally believe I would have found the DCEU movies dull as dishwater and second-rated attempts to copy the MCU. Which I believe has been in an artistic decline since 2016.

Well said; Snyder created the most coherent mix of larger-than-life comic book fantasy and drama that--to this day--is rare in comic book movies and TV series of the 21st century, as most are a bursting sack of would-be spectacle that ended up as cartoony, nonsensical noise, or (in the case of the majority of the CW/DC shows), low rent, low creativity, misguided garbage.

Its easy to revisit every chapter from the Snyder end of the DCEU, but there's no amount of intestinal fortitude or blink-enough-and-its-kinda-okay determination to sit though an estimated 80% of the MC/TVU, or Sony's other Marvel productions, including the awful Garfield Spider-Man movies.

Why did Rolling Stone magazine report this information as rumors and not facts? I also heard a rumor that the writer of this article had a personal grudge against Ray Fisher. She had accused him of being in some conspiracy to remove Kiersey Clemons from "Justice League". He called her out and contradicted her accusation with evidence.

There seem to be certain corners of the media in lockstep to attack Ray Fisher, which includes the known suspects at Warner Bros, and of course, the ass-rag known as Rolling Stone.

 

[crookeddy]

Thinking that the Snyder movies are somehow super popular and almost universally loved is delusional to say the least. At best, they all did OK at the box office and reactions to them were mixed. However, I think that's being kind. It's more like every single Snyder movie under-performed at the box office, was disliked by a VAST majority of critics, and based on my friend circle, most of the audience as well. It's not that they didn't make money, they just left a lot of money on the table due to bad word of mouth.

EDIT - oh and I say that as someone that actually enjoys Snyder movies.

 

[kirk55555]

Thinking that the Snyder movies are somehow super popular and almost universally loved is delusional to say the least. At best, they all did OK at the box office and reactions to them were mixed. However, I think that's being kind. It's more like every single Snyder movie under-performed at the box office, was disliked by a VAST majority of critics, and based on my friend circle, most of the audience as well. It's not that they didn't make money, they just left a lot of money on the table due to bad word of mouth.

Yeah no one can say, based on what we know, that (for example) Batman v Superman was a box office bomb financially. But, when the first live action meeting of Superman and Batman doesn't break a billion at the box office (not even getting to 900 million), and even performs worse then the last two solo Batman films before it (TDK and Rises both made over a billion from what I can see), there is trouble. Then Aquaman comes out and makes over a billion dollars, and does it while being basically the exact opposite of a Snyder style DC film, and you have a pretty good indication of DC's film problems at the time.

They would go on to invent new problems (WW84 being its own unique type of garbage), but the Snyder DC films definitely didn't live up to the potential of the properties, and were critically unpopular (and also unpopular with most real life people from what I can tell, outside of the small, but vocal, Snyder stans).

 

[Set Harth]

I find that the best material in the Snyder cut is generally the stuff that wasn't in the 2017 version ( the epic beginning[*], the added Amazon content, the seaside song, the whole thing with the arrow and the catacombs, Flash meeting/saving Iris, DeSaad, Joe Morton's last stand, Cyborg's final vision of the dark future, Flash turning back time at the climax, et cetera ). As for the sequences that are largely the same as in the Whedon version, if you weren't particularly thrilled by them in the first place, you won't really like them any more in the Snyder cut.

[ * Just compare with the lame beginning of the original version. There's no contest. ]

 

[Dee1891]

Thinking that the Snyder movies are somehow super popular and almost universally loved is delusional to say the least. At best, they all did OK at the box office and reactions to them were mixed. However, I think that's being kind. It's more like every single Snyder movie under-performed at the box office, was disliked by a VAST majority of critics, and based on my friend circle, most of the audience as well. It's not that they didn't make money, they just left a lot of money on the table due to bad word of mouth.

Actually, they did better than the MCU's first batch of films before "The Avengers". As for what others thought about Snyder's DC Comics movies, I honestly don't care how they felt. For me . . . personally, they are among my favorite comic book movies of all time. Especially "Batman v. Superman". And I'm someone who had not been a fan of Synder's before "Man of Steel".

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Actually, they did better than the MCU's first batch of films before "The Avengers".

..and as far as the first Avengers was concerned, it was a lightweight, senseless cartoon, and impossible to revisit.

As for what others thought about Snyder's DC Comics movies, I honestly don't care how they felt.

Exactly.

For me . . . personally, they are among my favorite comic book movies of all time. Especially "Batman v. Superman".

Snyder created the best representation of the DC universe--it sure as Hell is not Berlanti's overflowing toilet of creatively challenged, teen-esque soaps. Certainly, the DCEU is better structured than post-2014 MCU.

 

[crookeddy]

Actually, they did better than the MCU's first batch of films before "The Avengers". As for what others thought about Snyder's DC Comics movies, I honestly don't care how they felt. For me . . . personally, they are among my favorite comic book movies of all time. Especially "Batman v. Superman". And I'm someone who had not been a fan of Synder's before "Man of Steel".

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Actually, they did better than the MCU's first batch of films before "The Avengers".

Well, yeah. Superman and Batman sort of had a cinematic headstart and were already proven to be able to be successful. And are quite literally probably the most popular and well known fictional characters on earth. Iron Man and Thor had a bit of a challenge in that regard.

The fact that Superman meeting Batman didn't obliterate what Marvel could do in any measurable metric says more. Especially with all of the good will Nolan previously built up with Batman to boot.

 

[Dee1891]

..and as far as the first Avengers was concerned, it was a lightweight, senseless cartoon, and impossible to revisit.

Frankly, I'd rather revisit it than watch the other three . . . I mean, other four (let's face it, "Civil War" is basically another Avengers flick, despite being billed as a Captain America movie) Avenger films. Mind you, I can somewhat tolerate "Infinity War". Otherwise . . . no thanks.