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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Who cares. It’s not now.
Speaking of which it’s out digitally now in the US. Make sure everyone buys it.
 
I think it was always obvious that Snyder was playing a very strategic game for a good while. Whether or not he's as devious as the article alleges I guess we'll never know...but it certainly lines up with what we do know.

Also, his answer to the query regarding the review bombing of Godzilla vs Kong is a pretty obvious lie. (IMO)
 
Snyder called to say he wanted several sentences from the story removed. “I’m just telling you what the fans are going to do. Trust me, they are pretty, pretty, pretty rough,” he warned.
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For an article about bots and influencers there sure are a lot of unnamed sources.
 
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Rolling Stone: Exclusive: Fake Accounts Fueled the ‘Snyder Cut’ Online Army.
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-mov...tice-league-the-snyder-cut-bots-fans-1384231/
A WarnerMedia report reveals that bots and other inauthentic users bolstered the fan-led campaign for director Zack Snyder’s Justice League do-over

Zack Snyder was becoming increasingly agitated. Over the course of several weeks in the spring of 2020, the director repeatedly demanded that the names of two producers – Geoff Johns and Jon Berg – be removed from his upcoming re-cut of Justice League, the DC superhero movie that had tanked back in 2017. His high-powered CAA agent began calling Warner Bros. daily to check on why the pair hadn’t been excised from the list of credits. Simultaneously, Snyder’s wife Deborah, another producer on the film, started pressing an executive in the studio’s story department with the same directive. (Snyder admits the couple “asked the studio” to intervene after “a personal plea” to Johns and Berg was ignored.) On June 26, 2020, Snyder had had enough. According to multiple sources familiar with the matter, Snyder confronted an executive in the studio’s postproduction department and issued a threat: “Geoff and Jon are dragging their feet on taking their names off my cut. Now, I will destroy them on social media.”

And as the mayhem built, many insiders questioned how organic the SnyderVerse legion really was. According to two reports commissioned by WarnerMedia and recently obtained by Rolling Stone, at least 13 percent of the accounts that took part in the conversation about the Snyder Cut were deemed fake, well above the three to five percent that cyber experts say they typically see on any trending topic. (In public filings, Twitter has estimated that the percentage of daily active accounts on its platform that are “false or spam” is less than five percent.) So while Snyder had scores of authentic, flesh-and-blood fans, those real stans were amplified by a disproportionate number of bogus accounts...
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thribs said:
Who cares. It’s not now.
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Toxic fandom and abusive troll/bot campaigns are dangerous societal trends that we should all care about, regardless of the context. Anyone in authority has a responsibility to make it clear to their followers that some lines must not be crossed, that no abusive or threatening behavior will be tolerated. Anyone in authority who fails to do so, who tolerates or even stokes the toxicity and bullying because it helps them, is as bad as they are. We have to stand up against the normalization of this kind of bullying, no matter the context.
 
Turtletrekker said:
Haha. No. Watching it once was 4 hours of my life that I'll never get back. The only thing watching it convinced me of was that the studio made the right decision. However, in the end, no filmmaker could have saved that pile of crap.
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Don’t be ridiculous. WB never make the right decision. :)
 
Saw this on io9's morning spoilers daily digest.
https://thedirect.com/article/batgirl-movie-dc-multiverse-connections-exclusive

However, El Arbi did hint that the film will indeed connect to DC's emerging Multiverse somehow, while also suggesting that fans will "have to see the other [DC] movies to understand what happens" in Batgirl and to grasp how the Multiversal madness works on this side of the comic book movie landscape:

"Well you know, we’d sort of give the same answer, because we would also ask, 'Oh, you have J.K. Simmons from the Snyderverse and we got Michael Keaton from the Burton-verse. What’s the situation there?’ And they would say, ‘Don’t worry about it. We got a plan.’ They never really explained that aspect to us, but I guess you’re gonna have to see the other movies to understand what happens, why the reason is that we ended up in sort of a spaghetti of Multiverses in that aspect. It’s gonna be a delicious spaghetti, I’m sure of that.”

Some of these reports have me wondering if they aren't putting the cart before the horse sometimes when even the creators seem to be in the dark over the big picture of the machine. Maybe that's just part of the unique nature of working as one part of a big franchise.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
"Well you know, we’d sort of give the same answer, because we would also ask, 'Oh, you have J.K. Simmons from the Snyderverse and we got Michael Keaton from the Burton-verse. What’s the situation there?’ And they would say, ‘Don’t worry about it. We got a plan.’ They never really explained that aspect to us, but I guess you’re gonna have to see the other movies to understand what happens, why the reason is that we ended up in sort of a spaghetti of Multiverses in that aspect. It’s gonna be a delicious spaghetti, I’m sure of that.”
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The sounds more like people who don't have a plan telling the person who's trying to understand the situation something to make them go away.
 
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Mr. Adventure said:
Some of these reports have me wondering if they aren't putting the cart before the horse sometimes when even the creators seem to be in the dark over the big picture of the machine. Maybe that's just part of the unique nature of working as one part of a big franchise.
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That seems to be the usual mistake studios other than Marvel keep making -- make the individual movies serve the interconnections, rather than realize that it's the movies that make the connections work, not the other way around. I thought DC/WB had finally figured that out, since they were concentrating on standalones even within the shared universe. Films like Aquaman, Shazam, Birds of Prey, and The Suicide Squad worked because they were free to be their own things and any franchise connections were minimal and incidental. But now it sounds like they're repeating the old mistakes, forcing everything to be a crossover and complicating it with the multiverse.

I mean, why the hell does a Batgirl movie need multiverse elements? Hopefully it's just that The Flash will end with Keaton-Batman merged into the DCEU permanently, in sort of a post-Crisis situation, so that he'll just be there in Batgirl without the multiverse being a factor otherwise. (So the same thing that apparently happened to Keaton's Adrian Toomes in the Venom sequel.)
 
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StCoop said:
You'll all be shocked to hear that the Snyder Bronies think this is all a conspiracy created by Warner's to discredit them.
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The idea that this Rolling Stone article is timed to take away attention from the digital release is absolutely absurd. If anything it’s giving it press! I had no idea it was not a digital release yet. It’s been on HBOMAX for what a full year or more? Blu Ray in stores discounted by now it’s been out so long. Why is that even a big deal?!

I am someone who believes that Ray Fisher was not treated well. But also that he started to perceive every decision made by everyone at DC and WB as a direct attack on him. Even those will no direct involvement on JL. It’s very obvious who is most responsible for convincing him of that.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
Saw this on io9's morning spoilers daily digest.
https://thedirect.com/article/batgirl-movie-dc-multiverse-connections-exclusive

However, El Arbi did hint that the film will indeed connect to DC's emerging Multiverse somehow, while also suggesting that fans will "have to see the other [DC] movies to understand what happens" in Batgirl and to grasp how the Multiversal madness works on this side of the comic book movie landscape:

"Well you know, we’d sort of give the same answer, because we would also ask, 'Oh, you have J.K. Simmons from the Snyderverse and we got Michael Keaton from the Burton-verse. What’s the situation there?’ And they would say, ‘Don’t worry about it. We got a plan.’ They never really explained that aspect to us, but I guess you’re gonna have to see the other movies to understand what happens, why the reason is that we ended up in sort of a spaghetti of Multiverses in that aspect. It’s gonna be a delicious spaghetti, I’m sure of that.”

Some of these reports have me wondering if they aren't putting the cart before the horse sometimes when even the creators seem to be in the dark over the big picture of the machine. Maybe that's just part of the unique nature of working as one part of a big franchise.
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One, the "have to see the other [DC] movies to understand what happens" line is a common practice; the MCU is notorious for inserting Easter Eggs and plot devices not really relevant to the film it appears in (and not always a post-credits sequence, either), all to get audiences to see and/or understand another movie (Universal's failed "Dark Universe" tried it, but no one cared).

Two, J.K. Simmons as Gordon (from Zach Snyder's Justice League) appearing in Batgirl could be explained by his being the Gordon from her universe--an alternate universe version is certainly something seen in superhero comics since the dawn of the Silver Age.

Next, the nature of a "multiverse" (although I'm not the biggest fan of the concept or its handling by certain people) can have its occasional, logically structured crossovers and never upend the established universes (i.e. Snyder's development of the DCEU, and its influence into the forthcoming Flash and Aquaman films). Again, I'm not a stan for the multiverse in general, but if used rarely, and not for stuffing every conceivable character into projects like a contestant eating wieners at the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest (just because its allegedly "cool"), then it should cause no problem.
 
Dick Whitman said:
I am someone who believes that Ray Fisher was not treated well. But also that he started to perceive every decision made by everyone at DC and WB as a direct attack on him. Even those will no direct involvement on JL. It’s very obvious who is most responsible for convincing him of that.
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It does sound like Snyder exploited Fisher's dissatisfaction with his treatment to serve Snyder's own ends, which is ultimately not treating Fisher any better.
 
This explains why nobody's been able to get any movement going on an Ayer cut of SS... No bots, no Snyder politics to support it. And that's one I actually want to see.
 
The way I see it - the biggest mistake was hiring Snyder to head the new universe... and the second mistake was firing him when he was almost done with his movie. And at this point I think everyone agrees that he was let go, and allowed to use his daughter's suicide as cover? It seems like he'd at least finish JL before taking time off.
 
I mean, I consider the Whedon Justice League to be 1000 times better then the Snyder Cut. Don't get me wrong, fuck Joss Whedon in general and for his treatment of people both on this film and in other places, but the Theatrical JL is still better then MoS, BvS or the Snyder Cut, and it actually convinced me that Henry Cavil could have been a great Superman with material that wasn't grimdark Ayn Rand inspired bullshit.

That doesn't make Theatrical JL a great, or even particularly good, movie, but Snyder's 4 hour pile of crap was not an improvement. That doesn't excuse anything that Whedon did, but just taking the projects on their own the theatrical JL did the best it could to salvage a Snyder film into something tolerable. Its like how Fant4stic sucks, but a Josh Trank controlled cut of the film would almost certainly have been a lot worse then what we got.

Same with Ayers and Suicide Squad actually. I think the film we got was ok, if taken as a generic action film (its a terrible adaptation of the comic concept), but the Ayers version probably would have been BvS levels of obnoxious bullshit, and not just because we probably would have had to sit through more of Jared Leto's horrendous Joker.
 
I thought I liked the theatrical JL, but Snyder Cut made me realize that they pretty much butchered it. It didn't flow with the movies before it at ALL. Like I said - the mistake was hiring Snyder in the first place, but once they did they should have stuck to it at least until the end of his JL saga...
 
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