Victors are written by history.
Spoilers Lord of the Rings TV series
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Victors are written by history.
Are victors by written history?
History is written by historians.
Unless they're named Victor. Those guys empty the trash cans.
Unless they're named Victor. Those guys empty the trash cans.
Simon Tolkien, the grandson of J.R.R. Tolkien is a consultant on The Rings of Power and had key role in helping the showrunners develop the story and character arcs.
So I think this can be taken as another sign that they are at least trying to stay fairly true to his grandfather's writing.
So I think this can be taken as another sign that they are at least trying to stay fairly true to his grandfather's writing.
Yep - of all new media coming out in recent years, this series is what I’m most excited about.
I think it's still an accurate statement. But over the course of the last century or so, the conquered have been able to have a voice, even if it was decade later and it was the descendants who were telling the stories, Native Americans as an example. Throughout history, the victors have written the history because the people, societies that lost, were never given the right or opportunity to tell their side of the story. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule. You have allied victories over the axis in WWII as a prime example. I don't think there are many people who would argue that the victor's account of history wasn't pretty accurate. But I suppose that's arguable too, by some.
Around the time that Tokein was first coming up with his Ages of the earth, Root-Race Theosophists teachings had percolated pretty well teachings of Polaria, Lemoria, Polaria, Hyperborean ages, etc becoming so widespread that few even know where they entered popular thinking, now.
I sometimes do wonder how much of it influenced Tolkien. I don't think it did overtly. He was by no means a theosophist or occultist, as far as it appears and I suspect for a scholar who knew what creative wells the occultists like Blavatsky, Dione Fortune, and the Mathers had been dipping their bucket from, it might have seemed silly at best. But that doesn't mean he didn't find some concepts worth incorporating into his own mythology he was creating.
Yeah, the Root-Race theories certainly influenced Robert E. Howard, though I'm not sure if he actually believed them or just thought it was a nice foundation for fantasy stories. He did research it a lot, and pulled ideas from various different theories of the time. Probably actually believed a lot of it, it certainly would fit in with his racism.
As for Tolkien, I don't think he ever tried to give his Middle-Earth mythology any place in reality. It's clearly documented that he envisioned it as a sort of English pseudo-mythology, so I doubt he ever bothered with potential scientific explanations for his stories. For him, these were supposed to be stories told in ancient times, not things that actually happened in ancient times.
Meanwhile, I don't think this has actually been mentioned before, but Howard Shore will return to score the Rings of Power. That's cool.
We have a new trailer!
Aesthetically and atmospherically epic!
And Balrog!!!
As I said before, here's hoping the stories and characters live up to the gorgeous visuals.
Aesthetically and atmospherically epic!
And Balrog!!!
As I said before, here's hoping the stories and characters live up to the gorgeous visuals.
Oh wow! That does look epic indeed!
Cannot wait!
Cannot wait!
The Colbert panel hasn't been uploaded yet (don't know if it will be), but here's a smaller Q&A panel hosted by Patton Oswalt with some of the cast:
Very cool!
Now since we don't know the circumstances, don't you thank your rant is utterly irrational.Ok, I missed the intimacy consultant thing. Game of Thrones really has ruined Fantasy on TV, hasn't it? Can't make a fantasy series without nudity and sex anymore, even though LOTR even in the books is basically completely sexless. I wonder if it will beat GOT's rape per episode ratioI was only going to watch the show out of morbid curiosity, but I don't watch GOT style stuff, so I won't be wasting time on this show.
Its sad to see how little the Tolkien estate gives a shit about LOTR, the second Tolkien's son is dead it sells out completely. Its a good thing that the Chronicles of Narnia is almost exclusively about children, otherwise I'd shudder to think what would become of future adaptations of it at this point.
Intimacy coaches are used for a lot of things, from sex scenes, to general nudity, to even intimate make out scenes, that aren't sexual. To more violent acts.
For example, if filmed today, the scene from Superman the Movie where young Kal-el newly arrived to earth is naked and lifts the truck off of Jonathan Kent, would require an intimacy coach, and its an utterly innocent scene.
A more disturbing non sexual use, would be if they filmed Schindler's List today the shower scene, an utterly terrifying non sexual scene, would absolutely have intimacy coaches around.
Perhaps one should watch actually reviews of others who have seen the material before prejudging something you actually don't have any real information about.
Seem's like a reasoned and rational response to me.
And just to be clear there is nudity of a non sexual nature in Tolkien's work. Not a lot of it, but it does exist.
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