I'll never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever buy that.
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I'll never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever buy that.
Neither will I. The first few seasons of AoS were heavily connected to the MCU (The Avengers, The Dark World, The Winter Soldier, Age Of Ultron), so at least up until their adventures in space it is definitely canon. I really don't know why some people keep insisting that it's not.
I still think it's possible to believe that AoS season 6 takes place in the post-Snap world. It would be about a year after the Snap, and people could still be in denial and trying to get on with their lives and avoid thinking about it, in contrast to four years later where despair has set in. And the storyline is narrowly focused enough that it's ambiguous about the broader state of the world. Sure, the team didn't have any members disintegrate, but there were some casts that lost just about everyone (e.g. Ant-Man and his associates) and some that lost virtually no one (e.g. Tony Stark and his associates), so it's possible that the SHIELD team just got lucky.
Alternatively, everything after the team was abducted to the future could be an alternate timeline, although the ending of season 7 seemed to indicate that the timeline they were returning to was the main MCU one. IIRC, it more or less implied that the time travel tech Fitz developed was a forerunner of the tech used by the Avengers in Endgame.
Alternatively, everything after the team was abducted to the future could be an alternate timeline, although the ending of season 7 seemed to indicate that the timeline they were returning to was the main MCU one. IIRC, it more or less implied that the time travel tech Fitz developed was a forerunner of the tech used by the Avengers in Endgame.
Agents of SHIELD is canon. It's the movies that aren't.
I mean, AoS is completely incompatible with canon (no blip, a different darkhold, definitely no Inhumans in the main MCU, among all the other conflicts), and you're probably never going to see anyone from it except maybe Coulson again, so 
AoS had a few good storylines, but it was dead long before it was cancelled, and while I'd be up to seeing Coulson, May, Daisy and the AoS Ghost Rider (and only them) again, I'd say there is probably close to zero chance of seeing them, except as maybe a multiverse cameo thing. Coulson is the closest to being someone I could see showing up, but again he is obviously supposed to have died in Avengers in the actual MCU, so outside of flashbacks and multiverse adventures I just don't see it happening.
At this point AoS, that horrible Agent Carter show and (probably) Inhumans almost certainly aren't canon to the main universe unless specifically said. At least with the Netflix MCU shows you could argue there wasn't much that contradicted them, while AoS especially is basically all contradictions after a certain point.
Feige wasn't involved with AoS, and didn't even care to tell them what they were doing with the Blip, which is why they don't match up after a certain season. All that really doesn't point towards Feige being a fan of the show, and he didn't seem to like Marvel TV in general, so outside of some cameo I don't know why people think AoS, even the early seasons, will ever be acknowledged in the main MCU.
AoS had a few good storylines, but it was dead long before it was cancelled, and while I'd be up to seeing Coulson, May, Daisy and the AoS Ghost Rider (and only them) again, I'd say there is probably close to zero chance of seeing them, except as maybe a multiverse cameo thing. Coulson is the closest to being someone I could see showing up, but again he is obviously supposed to have died in Avengers in the actual MCU, so outside of flashbacks and multiverse adventures I just don't see it happening.At this point AoS, that horrible Agent Carter show and (probably) Inhumans almost certainly aren't canon to the main universe unless specifically said. At least with the Netflix MCU shows you could argue there wasn't much that contradicted them, while AoS especially is basically all contradictions after a certain point.
Feige wasn't involved with AoS, and didn't even care to tell them what they were doing with the Blip, which is why they don't match up after a certain season. All that really doesn't point towards Feige being a fan of the show, and he didn't seem to like Marvel TV in general, so outside of some cameo I don't know why people think AoS, even the early seasons, will ever be acknowledged in the main MCU.
Agent Carter is the one series that was explicitly referenced by the movies prior to the D+ era. Caliing that show non-canon is pure wishful thinking.
The real canon is the friends we made along the way . . . except the ones that turned out to be Hydra agents.
No, Peggy having a connection to SHIELD, and whatever group was before it, is canon. The specific events of the series have not been mentioned, unless there is something in Ms. Marvel because thats the only MCU thing I haven't/won't watch. The Agent Carter short is more canon to the MCU, it was only "decanonized" because of the show, but I'd say the short is probably canon while the show isn't.
Also, yes, I don't want the show canon. It was a terrible show, with every episode being 90% "people sure were sexist in the 50s, weren't they?" followed by 5% plot and 5% action. I mean, I'm not going to say its unrealistic, but its fucking Agent Carter, not The Dark Knight. At some point you want the damn show to just move on and get to the spy stuff, which it rarely did from the episodes I managed to suffer through. I like Peggy Carter as a character, but the show sucked. Even AoS barely if ever acknowledged it, why would the MCU consider it canon at this point? Peggy obviously did spy stuff in the MCU post WW2, and we know she was eventually part of SHIELD, but thats it.
Jarvis appeared in Endgame.
That really means nothing. Even if they use the same actor, that doesn't canonize the show. At most it means that someone involved in the movie liked the actor enough to hire him for, what, 15 seconds of screen time and I don't even know if he had a line.
Anson Mount played Black Bolt in Doctor Strange 2 but that doesn't mean the terrible Inhumans show is canon. In fact, having Kamala Khan not to be an inhuman pretty much shows there's almost certainly no Inhumans in the MCU, and if they are they don't resemble all the stuff Agents of Shield did with it.
They could literally make anything they wanted canon and I suppose, but it's about the likelihood. I put Agent Carter at about the same level as inhumans when it comes to shows they could technically canonize but probably won't. Honestly think that the horrible Iron Fist show has a better chance of being canon, just in case they want the Defenders to count.
Considering the Multiverse is now canon, with three Peter Parkers fighting side-by-side, AOS can be canon-non-canon. It exists "somewhere" with characters that may exist in MCU but not with stories that occurred in MCU. Coulson can be both alive and dead, Peggy can have whatever history and role is convenient, Daisy may just be a hacker in a van somewhere. It's whatever they decide to include to make the story they want to make.
Also, you know, as I keep saying here and in the Doctor Who forum, canon is utterly meaningless.
Captain America 4 has a director https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/captain-america-4-director-1235176925/
Actual news in this thread?! How dare you, sir! 
The only thing I've seen in Julius Onah's filmography is The Cloverfield Paradox and I won't hold that against him. The film's biggest issue was its shitty script letting down the excellent cast.
The only thing I've seen in Julius Onah's filmography is The Cloverfield Paradox and I won't hold that against him. The film's biggest issue was its shitty script letting down the excellent cast.
Actual news in this thread?! How dare you, sir!
I won’t do it again. I actually literally won’t for at least two weeks, as I’m going on holiday tomorrow and want to avoid Thor spoilers until I see it!
Canon is the quantum indeterminacy principle of narrative storytelling. Any given story point both does, and does not exist in relation to any other given story point, until it interacts with such an other story point, and it collapses the wave function.
So yeah, arguing over what does and does not count is fairly futile.
I was a bit confused and disappointed a while back when I read Mackie wouldn't be back as Falcon, so this makes me happy.
Good to see this--the best end of the MCU--moving forward.
Schrodinger's canon.
No it's not.
Just because they don't talk about it?
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Source?
You're not making it easier to take your opinion seriously...
Was there anything?
Nope: I'm not accepting that cop-out. The multiverse is great for alternate Spider-Men and What If and America Chavez and the like, but we were told the earlier shows were in the MCU proper and I'm holding them to that.