Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by bbjeg, Apr 6, 2014.

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What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

  1. A+

    18.1%
  2. A

    26.9%
  3. A-

    14.6%
  4. B+

    7.6%
  5. B

    14.0%
  6. B-

    2.9%
  7. C+

    3.5%
  8. C

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  9. C-

    2.9%
  10. D+

    0 vote(s)
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  11. D

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  12. D-

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  13. F

    4.1%
  1. theenglish

    theenglish Vice Admiral Admiral

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    In the comics, I am sure that Wakanda has moved around like Gotham and Metropolis over the years. In the MCU though, it has been clearly shown on maps and visual displays so I doubt they will move it around for the sake of a single movie.
     
  2. Grendelsbayne

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    Oakland has a coastline. And a Wakandan outreach center.
     
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  3. Nerys Myk

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    Going Meso-American as rumored.
    Well, that would involve the USA.
     
  4. JD

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    Do we know for sure that Atuma and Namor artwork is legit?
     
  5. Christopher

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    The Arrowverse has shown maps of Star City and Central City that were later contradicted. Early Trek: TNG showed galaxy maps that were later contradicted. Gilligan's Island showed several contradictory maps of the title location over the course of its three seasons and later revival movies. Graphics exist to serve the story, not the other way around. They're secondary details. If the actual story you need to tell requires contradicting some map fleetingly glimpsed for a few seconds in an earlier story, then of course you contradict it. Most viewers won't notice anyway.
     
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  6. theenglish

    theenglish Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I would buy that possibility if Wakanda's location had been a one time graphic in a single movie, but we have seen its location more than once by now so I would treat its place in the MCU Earth as established by now. Besides, Namor's appearance doesn't necessitate Wakanda being a coastal nation.
     
  7. Christopher

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    Yeah, and we saw the Infinity Gauntlet in Odin's treasure room, but Infinity War contradicted that. Sure, Ragnarok later fixed that plot hole with a throwaway gag, but the makers of Infinity War didn't hesitate to ignore a background detail that had been "established" before. And the makers of Doctor Strange didn't hesitate to contradict Civil War establishing Stephen Strange as someone already important enough to watch out for. Because it doesn't matter if something's been "established" in a previous story. All that matters is the story you have to tell. Background details, graphics, throwaway dialogue, and the like exist to support the story, not to dictate it.

    Sure, you want to maintain the illusion of consistency where you can, but it doesn't outweigh the fundamentals of telling stories. If someone comes up with a great idea for a movie that requires Wakanda to have a coastline, nobody is going to say "No, we have to abandon our plans for this terrific story because of a map that was glimpsed for a few seconds." It's a simple matter of priorities.
     
  8. Grendelsbayne

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    Which makes sense. Wakanda, being land-locked and way cleaner than most countries, is a weird target for the Atlanteans. The US is an absolutely perfect target. But if their attack on the US kills T'Challa, then the result is still Wakanda vs Atlantis.
     
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  9. StCoop

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    Loki Season 2 is shooting in London currently. Scenes set at a movie premier in the 1970s judging by the clothes and fake posters they've put up.

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  10. StCoop

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  12. Anwar

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    Aren't all the episodes titled "AKA" something as well?
     
  13. The Nth Doctor

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    I've never heard of Attuma. Ah, well.

    Yes, they are.
     
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  14. kirk55555

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    I never really got that stylistic choice. Her name is Jessica Jones, its not an alias, so what I'm sure is supposed to reference her original comic's title in a roundabout way really doesn't make any sense, and it makes no sense if you don't know that her first comic was called Alias.
     
  15. ichab

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    You would have found that out by the first trailer :shrug:
     
  16. Mr. Adventure

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  17. StCoop

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    A magical technical error that created a new title card...
     
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  18. Reverend

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    Most likely just be a rebrand of the show in certain territories. Of course a possible rebranding of the existing material isn't mutually exclusive with a potential continuation/reboot, but even if a continuation of the show is in the works, I have a hard time buying that a finalised title is already in the D+ servers.
     
  19. theenglish

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    It was originally supposed to by "AKA Jessica Jones" and was announced as such in articles leading up to its release. Somebody probably just messed up looking through the original materials.
     
  20. Christopher

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    I read a comment on io9 that agreed with that, in a bit more detail -- they said that Disney archives all their past content, and somebody must've mistakenly uploaded the pilot version with the AKA title card instead of the final aired version.
     
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