Do you think they should just make Scotty English?

[Kegek]

Britain might be 'tiny' but theres a huge variation of accents within England, Scotland, Wales & Ireland themselves which is generally ignored by American cinema (probably due to the idea that you might not ID a Scouse or Yorkshire accent as English but would the uppercrust posh school one)

Psst. Ireland isn't part of that tiny island Britain. We're this even tinier island, with a scant population of six million.

Also, I've heard plenty of bad or dodgy Irish accents in American films, but I don't recall just substituting an English accent offhand. It's true the various regional differences in English accents are often glossed over, though.

Anyway, MadBaggins, if it's such a small island and Scots are pretty much the same as the English to you... what's wrong with an Englishman playing a Scot?

 

[starburst]

Psst. Ireland isn't part of that tiny island Britain. We're this even tinier island, with a scant population of six million.

Also, I've heard plenty of bad or dodgy Irish accents in American films, but I don't recall just substituting an English accent offhand. It's true the various regional differences in English accents are often glossed over, though.

Sorry should have been Northern Ireland specific not the Republic

Some of the best films with the Irish in are the ones with actual Irish people, Colin Farrel & Colm Meaney for instance.

Accents can be hard to do, especially when done by people who arent good at it or just really dont care, look how well Colin Farrel hides his Irish accent or Jamie Bamber his British one.

Problem with Britian (and I guess Ireland because your close by) is most people forgets that its actually 4 countries in the Union with a Republic connected, and in those countries there are some serious variations in dialect and accent.

So as an English & British person keep Scotty a Scott, its part of his identity, being Scottish really has nothing to do with him being a great engineer but has everything to do with him, kilts and bagpipes to Scotch.

 

[Zeppster]

James Doohan was just so talented and did so many voices. He even created the Vulcan and Klingon languages for Star Trek. But for a English guy it's probably a little easier to do a Scotts voice then it is for an American or Canadian even. And also there's a lot of actors that are basically trained to do different accents. And people are hired to teach these actors the accent.

The biggest issue with Scotty's accent is that it was kind of made up on spot. So it doesn't have an exact origin.

 

[Therin of Andor]

It's like making an Asian actor be James Bond or Superman. It shouldn't be done.

Dean Cain made a rather swarthy Clark Kent/Superman in "Lois and Clark".

(Ah, I see this was flogged to death several pages ago. Sorry.)

Omigosh. Just browsing IMDB. Did you realise that Dean Cain's mother was the waitress who serves McCoy in the bar in ST III?

 

[HRHTheKING]

Scotty never really sounded Scottish though, when you think about it.

 

[Kegek]

Sorry should have been Northern Ireland specific not the Republic

Well, NI is part of the country of Great Britain, but not the island.

Some of the best films with the Irish in are the ones with actual Irish people, Colin Farrel & Colm Meaney for instance.

Not to mention ones actually made in Ireland, which sometimes include people like Meaney and Farrel.

Accents can be hard to do, especially when done by people who arent good at it or just really dont care, look how well Colin Farrel hides his Irish accent or Jamie Bamber his British one.

True. But Liam Neeson, Pierce Brosnan and Cillian Murphy have all done pretty good jobs, I think.

Problem with Britian (and I guess Ireland because your close by) is most people forgets that its actually 4 countries in the Union with a Republic connected, and in those countries there are some serious variations in dialect and accent.

The Republic isn't per se connected to the UK, but yes, the national distinctions between English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish as four subcategories of British is often obscure for the American viewer.

 

[starburst]

Sorry should have been Northern Ireland specific not the Republic

Well, NI is part of the country of Great Britain, but not the island.

Exactly

Some of the best films with the Irish in are the ones with actual Irish people, Colin Farrel & Colm Meaney for instance.

Not to mention ones actually made in Ireland, which sometimes include people like Meaney and Farrel.
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Those were the films I was refering to, should have been more clear

Accents can be hard to do, especially when done by people who arent good at it or just really dont care, look how well Colin Farrel hides his Irish accent or Jamie Bamber his British one.

True. But Liam Neeson, Pierce Brosnan and Cillian Murphy have all done pretty good jobs, I think.
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I was actually using those two as good examples, just as you correctly used Neeson ect

Problem with Britian (and I guess Ireland because your close by) is most people forgets that its actually 4 countries in the Union with a Republic connected, and in those countries there are some serious variations in dialect and accent.

The Republic isn't per se connected to the UK, but yes, the national distinctions between English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish as four subcategories of British is often obscure for the American viewer.[/quote]
Very true, I remember there was some reaction to The 51st State which was set in Liverpool, some Americans couldnt believe the difference in the 'English accent' to what they were expecting....Reed in Enterprise is a good example of a stereotyped Englishman

 

[AxelFoley]

Scotty is Scottish, and it should always be that way. Otherwise we'll have young'uns ten years from now debating over which Scotty is best, English or Scottish. English eventually winning...

 

[Gen. Jack O'Neill]

I'm confused here.

Where was it ever established that Scotty's full name was "Charles Montgomery Scott"?

Every site I've gone to only lists him as "Montgomery Scott". Including Memory Alpha and startrek.com....

 

[TorontoTrekker]

Reed in Enterprise is a good example of a stereotyped Englishman

I vaguely recall Dominic Keating saying that they ended up using his real accent, after trying a few different English accents out during auditions. (Apparently the producers didn't understand what he was saying in one of them and thought he was doing an Australian accent or something equally outrageous. )

I'm confused here.

Where was it ever established that Scotty's full name was "Charles Montgomery Scott"?

Every site I've gone to only lists him as "Montgomery Scott". Including Memory Alpha and startrek.com....

I was wondering about that myself, but I couldn't be bothered to say anything about it.

 

[Cranston]

Problem with Britian (and I guess Ireland because your close by) is most people forgets that its actually 4 countries in the Union with a Republic connected, and in those countries there are some serious variations in dialect and accent.

Which makes a great excuse for showing a very useful Venn diagram that I stumbled upon last month, for all who have questions on that account:

 

[Oso Blanco]

Well, NI is part of the country of Great Britain, but not the island.

Exactly

Not exactly.

Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain. That's why it's called "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

 

[Gen. Jack O'Neill]

Problem with Britian (and I guess Ireland because your close by) is most people forgets that its actually 4 countries in the Union with a Republic connected, and in those countries there are some serious variations in dialect and accent.

Which makes a great excuse for showing a very useful Venn diagram that I stumbled upon last month, for all who have questions on that account:

I could never get a stupid Spirograph to work right either.

 

[Kegek]

Well, NI is part of the country of Great Britain, but not the island.

Exactly

Not exactly.

Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain. That's why it's called "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

And 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' is clearly the country which one could refer to as Great Britain, as distinct from the island Great Britain.

 

[Kemaiku]

Edit: Cranston beat me to it lol.

Here in Northern Ireland we aren't considered part of Great Britain since that refers to the physical island itself. We're just part of the larger UK along with the various Isles and territories.

 

[starburst]

Not exactly.

Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain. That's why it's called "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

Mayb but thats being really specific, plus alot of N Irish say they are British so I dunno

 

[Kemaiku]

We are British. But British simply refers to anyone who is a native citizen of the United Kingdom. Even those born on the Isle of Mann are British.

 

[Kirks_Hairpiece]

Any Americans who would like to meet Aliens should go to the Isle of Mann to get half an idea of what it would be like.....

 

[M'Sharak]

Any Americans who would like to meet Aliens should go to the Isle of Mann to get half an idea of what it would be like.....

Isle of Man, not Mann. The Bee Gees came from there... which makes them Aliens, presumably?

Wait, that can't be right...

 

[Kemaiku]

Any Americans who would like to meet Aliens should go to the Isle of Mann to get half an idea of what it would be like.....

I've been there a couple of times on holiday, they're nice enough people. A little odd maybe and the usual jerk here and there but otherwise ok.