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THE SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN: A fitting name!

Christopher

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First off, I should establish that I'm a major fan of the '90s animated Spider-Man series that was shown on FOX and story-edited by John Semper. That was the show that made me a Spidey fan, the first and to date the only TV adaptation that I felt really captured the spirit and approach that made the Spidey comics so worthwhile. When I heard about this new Spectacular Spider-Man series, I was cautiously optimistic based on some of the advance news, but I wasn't expecting it would compare to the '90s series.

But after seeing just two episodes, I'm thinking this one may be even better. It really lives up to its name. The head writer is Greg Weisman, best known as the showrunner for the superb Gargoyles animated series, and he's brought his A game to this. (By the way, there's a great Gargoyles homage in the first episode, as Spidey runs past a row of gargoyles who are virtual dead ringers for Goliath's clan. Later, one who looks just like Broadway gets smashed to rubble -- I'm a bit alarmed by that.)

Certainly it is toned down for the younger audience a bit, in that Uncle Ben's death is only alluded to. And if there is one thing that bothers me, it's that Spidey's whole motivation, his guilt at his inaction leading to Ben's death, is missing here, at least so far. But other than that, it's still got all the basics, and is certainly interesting enough for adults. The show goes back to the earliest years of the comic, focusing on Peter as a high school junior, and he's dealing with all the classic manifestations of the "Parker luck" -- worrying about Aunt May's money problems, being unpopular at school despite his cool superpowers, trying to balance crimefighting with a 10 PM curfew, worrying about the expense of fixing torn Spidey suits, the works. At the same time, the characters are drawn from the entire history of the series. Pete's high-school classmates include his friends Harry Osborn and Gwen Stacy (a redesigned, more bookish version with a touch of Debra Whitman about her) as well as Flash Thompson and a Hispanic Liz Allen. They've even included Sally Avril from Kurt Busiek's Untold Tales of Spider-Man, an '80s series that filled in additional adventures between issues of the '60s comics. (Mary Jane is nowhere to be seen yet, but will show up later.)

And plenty of other characters are being introduced and set up for later appearances. Two hoods Spidey busts in the first episode are Flink Marko (the future Sandman) and Alex O'Hirn (the future Rhino). The episode also introduces us to Norman Osborn, Curt Connors, and a stocky, bespectacled OsCorp scientist who was not introduced but is presumably Otto Octavius. We even meet Eddie Brock -- here retconned into an older friend of Peter's rather than a rival. I'm not sure about that, but it might add some poignancy to the Venom storyline.

The show not only captures the comics' large family of players, but its continuity as well. There are definite arc elements from one episode to the next. It used to be that networks discouraged that in their kids' shows, preferring a more episodic approach, but I gather that this is done with an eye toward future DVD releases -- the show is being structured in 4- or 5-episode arcs and will be released with one arc per disk, much like the way comics these days are plotted in arcs for the sake of the trade paperback collections.

So what are those arc elements? Well, Peter learns about May's money problems in episode 1 and tries to get Spidey pictures for the Bugle in episode 2, without success as yet. Pete gets an internship with Doc Connors in episode 1, and Connors is injecting himself with some mysterious compound. In episode 2, with Electro as the villain, the compound is revealed to be lizard DNA, and gets supercharged in the fight with Electro. And it looks like episode 3 will feature the Lizard. Plus there are bits of foreshadowing like Osborn stealing a flight technology from Adrian Toomes (no doubt to be seen in a future Goblin glider) and the Enforcers being sicced on Spidey by a mysterious, unseen figure called the Big Man -- a real blast from the past. The Big Man was one of the first "mystery villains" in the Spidey comics, a mob boss whose identity was unknown for some time. Yet another way in which this series is calling back the classic Lee-Ditko years of the comic. (Lee and Ditko are actually given a "Created by" credit at the end of the opening titles. That's classy.)

Even with all this stuff going on at once, the show does a good job of balancing it. In the first episode, we had Vulture and the Enforcers as the villains -- acting independently -- as well as a ton of characters to introduce, but it was well-paced and didn't seem rushed or cluttered. And there was a good balance of humor and seriousness too, just right for Spidey (although lighter on the seriousness than the comics would be today). Spidey's dialogue is good and witty, and they aren't softpedalling his capacity for screwing up big time. In episode 2, Electro has been reimagined as a more tragic figure in the Batman: TAS vein, victim of a disfiguring accident who's desperate and frustrated by his inability to lead a normal life. And in their first confrontation, Spidey totally screws up, assuming he's causing trouble deliberately and coming down hard, just making him more angry and embittered and essentially pushing him down the path toward villainy (and even giving him his nom de guerre).

The voice cast is pretty good. Josh Keaton is an excellent Peter/Spidey, capturing his attitude and wit very well. The Big Man is Keith David, another Gargoyles veteran. Norman Osborn sounds like Ron Perlman, though I'm not certain it's him. Daran Norris does a J. Jonah Jameson who sounds pretty much like all the other JJJs, loud and grouchy. I still consider Ed Asner the definitive JJJ, but Norris does fine here. The rest of the cast works well too, the one exception being Deborah Strang as Aunt May -- she just has a rather bland voice, and it seems as if they're trying to make her seem younger.

I have some quibbles with the character designs, which are pretty cartoony. The way their noses are drawn is pretty strange. But aside from that, the animation is top-notch for TV, and the simplified character designs facilitate fluid, dynamic motion. The action sequences are well-done and very cleverly choreographed. Perhaps my favorite bit was when Spidey was carrying Norman Osborn as the Vulture chased them -- he was repeatedly switching Osborn back and forth from arm to arm as he fired webs from alternate wrists. I've actually often wondered how he would manage carrying someone and swinging two-handed at the same time. This was a clever and witty solution.

All in all, this is an excellent show, and I heartily recommend it to Spidey buffs and animation buffs. The future of this show is a bit uncertain, since Kids' WB is ceasing to exist this September, so only the first half of the series' 26-episode first season is going to air there and it hasn't yet been decided where the back 13 will air, or where future seasons if any will air. But I'm hoping this show has a good long run, because it deserves to.
 
I agree with all of your points, Christopher.

The only thing I didn't care for was the sense of connectedness this series has. Not only does Peter know just about every villain before they become villains, he has a hand in naming them. In some cases, he has a special relationship with them.

I'm a life-long Spidey fan and I know this was an oft-used device in the comics, but it seems like the guys behind this show are trying to hard. Peter knew Max Dillon before he was Electro...and named him? Peter knew Marko and O'Hirn before they become Sandman and Rhino? And Dillon works for Connors and knew Eddie Brock and his origin involves the Connors's? It's a little much.

I didn't mind the friendship between Eddie Brock and Peter. This is an almost straight life from their relationship in the Ultimate Spider-Man comic book. There, Peter and Eddie's fathers were partners working together on a cure for cancer, which becomes the black suit which bonds to Peter and then to Eddie.

And Octavius working for Osborn is also a lift from Ultimate Spidey, but it's a good one.

I very much loved the retro feel to this series, and the overall Lee/Ditko tone it has. Great stuff, which was not touched upon on the 90s series, which was mired in the 90s continuity of the comics.

This is already the best new animated series on Saturday mornings, and I too hope it finds a new home.

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I just realized while watching "The Batman: Lost Heroes" that I missed the premire episode this morning and am kicking myself about it. Oh well I'll get the first season DVD when it comes out assuming they produce one.
 
The character designs aren't quite my taste either but the animation is very fluid. I hope the direction improves as the show finds its footing. It was kind of hard to buy Peter as the scrawny nerd when he looks like a character who all the girls would crush on in other cartoons.

Not too bad though, I thought Spider-Man having to stop his fights to check in with Aunt May and his curfew was a spot-on character moment. Funny yet reinforces that Peter is not a lone wolf superhero. It looked like his torn suit from the Vulture was still torn with Electro.

So far the updates seem pretty reasonable, Vulture's exo-suit and Electro seem current without pissing the past away. I haven't read Spidey comics in a long time so I'm not sure if the show is aping the updated comic material or is simply original, I'm assuming the latter.

I found myself not as engaged as I thought I'd be but it's only two episodes in, it certainly seems like a competent effort so I don't know why I felt that way.
 
And if there is one thing that bothers me, it's that Spidey's whole motivation, his guilt at his inaction leading to Ben's death, is missing here, at least so far.

It was mentioned in passing that it's been four months since Spidey's first public appearance. I suspect there was a lot of guilt in the beginning, but now we see Petey moving forward again with his life after a very life-changing summer...

But when all is said and done, it's still Peter Parker we're talkin' about. I'm sure there'll be an "afternoon special"-type show that will deal once more with Uncle Ben...

(Why do I suddenly want rice so badly right now?)
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I don't think the show will suffer the same criticism "The Batman" got after Batman TAS ended.

Nice touch with Josh Keaton sounding a bit like Christopher Daniel Barnes.
 
The only thing I didn't care for was the sense of connectedness this series has. Not only does Peter know just about every villain before they become villains, he has a hand in naming them. In some cases, he has a special relationship with them.

I'm a life-long Spidey fan and I know this was an oft-used device in the comics, but it seems like the guys behind this show are trying to hard. Peter knew Max Dillon before he was Electro...and named him? Peter knew Marko and O'Hirn before they become Sandman and Rhino? And Dillon works for Connors and knew Eddie Brock and his origin involves the Connors's? It's a little much.

Sure, it's kind of Dickensian, but I like it that they're establishing some of the villains before they become supervillains. Why wouldn't some of them have been around committing regular crimes before they got superpowered, rather than just coming out of the woodwork on the same day they get their powers? And I like the sense of unity it gives the show. Comic books are often kind of jerky in their storytelling over the long haul, with ideas coming out of nowhere or going on hold for a long time before they get followed up on, and it's nice to see it all streamlined and given more unity.

As for Electro, I never found him an especially interesting villain (even though I chose him as a featured villain for my Spidey novel). In the comics, he's basically just a thug with lightning powers. Giving him a personal connection to others in the cast makes him more interesting. Plus his revised origin is... well, not more credible, but at least a more satisfying handwave than the original.

And Octavius working for Osborn is also a lift from Ultimate Spidey, but it's a good one.

It was also in Spider-Man: India, though the character names were changed.

I very much loved the retro feel to this series, and the overall Lee/Ditko tone it has. Great stuff, which was not touched upon on the 90s series, which was mired in the 90s continuity of the comics.

I wouldn't say "mired," since they covered a lot of key stuff from the '70s and '80s like the Goblin saga, the Tablet of Time (Petrified Tablet), Morbius, the six-armed Spidey, Secret Wars, etc. And the show mercifully kept the Venom/Carnage stuff to a minimum at a time when the comics were obsessed with them, and relegated the whole Clone Saga to a single alternate-timeline episode (although they did do a version of the original '70s clone story with Miles Warren).


a Hispanic Liz Allen.
The PC police interferring to have race quotas bothers me nearly everytime

That's a load of bull. There is no "PC police" dictating the content of TV shows. TV networks are run by very rich businessmen, who are usually conservative. And those businessmen are concerned with demographics and ratings. The simple fact is, the American population is becoming increasingly Hispanic and Asian. And anyone who wants to draw in an audience, and therefore make a profit, is going to want to include some appeal to those segments of the population. It's not a left-wing agenda, it's good old free-market capitalism.

Besides, it's not wrong to say that people who aren't white deserve to have their existence acknowledged and that the biases and mistakes of the past shouldn't be slavishly adhered to. And while we're on the subject, I'll cheerfully point out that Fancy Dan is now black and Ned Leeds has become the Asian Ned Lee.


It was kind of hard to buy Peter as the scrawny nerd when he looks like a character who all the girls would crush on in other cartoons.

Well, it's all in the attitude. When I was in high school, I never had any success with girls, even though some of them did find me attractive. I was just too shy and insecure to believe they could be interested, or to do anything about it.

So far the updates seem pretty reasonable, Vulture's exo-suit and Electro seem current without pissing the past away. I haven't read Spidey comics in a long time so I'm not sure if the show is aping the updated comic material or is simply original, I'm assuming the latter.

The designs are new to the show.

And if there is one thing that bothers me, it's that Spidey's whole motivation, his guilt at his inaction leading to Ben's death, is missing here, at least so far.

It was mentioned in passing that it's been four months since Spidey's first public appearance. I suspect there was a lot of guilt in the beginning, but now we see Petey moving forward again with his life after a very life-changing summer...

That's not the point. I'm aware of that storytelling choice, but I don't like seeing the whole Uncle Ben guilt thing glossed over. I'm still remembering the '70s live-action series that completely eliminated Uncle Ben from Peter's backstory, stripping away the most pivotal thing about Spider-Man as a character.

I know a show aimed at younger viewers can't acknowledge death too openly, but at least, when we saw May talking to Anna about how she missed Ben and then about their money problems, they could've followed up with Peter thinking something like, "It's my fault Ben is gone, because I didn't act when I should have. I'm not going to let Aunt May down again."
 
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That's a load of bull. There is no "PC police" dictating the content of TV shows. TV networks are run by very rich businessmen, who are usually conservative. And those businessmen are concerned with demographics and ratings. The simple fact is, the American population is becoming increasingly Hispanic and Asian. And anyone who wants to draw in an audience, and therefore make a profit, is going to want to include some appeal to those segments of the population. It's not a left-wing agenda, it's good old free-market capitalism.

Besides, it's not wrong to say that people who aren't white deserve to have their existence acknowledged and that the biases and mistakes of the past shouldn't be slavishly adhered to. And while we're on the subject, I'll cheerfully point out that Fancy Dan is now black and Ned Leeds has become the Asian Ned Lee.
No its just true. As businessmen they've been trained to think they must now make all product a reflection of society. The Hispanic and at times Black coalitions would stage boycotts and protest because of a perceived injustice. I'm open minded enough to say they likely had a point at some time. The PC police(various coalitions and watchdog groups) now insist/highly encourage these type of cast moves.

When they are building a show from scratch with no established backstory I could care less. Its when they take something as established as Spiderman and his universe(granted Liz Allen is hardly known) and make the type change they did with Liz.

Christopher I agree with you on a great many things and can respect we just see this one different.
 
I was worried about the Teen Titan look. The show is okay though. It is a little dumbed down, assuming that kids aren't smart. Spidey does know everybody like Brock from the get go. The pc police thing is right. If they want asian or black characters they should make new characters rather than adjusting the old ones because they are the "wrong" race. I used to read Firestorm when I was a kid. I heard they killed the original white character to replace him with a different racial type. They also started Kyle Rainier as a white guy and now he is hispanic.

Was the voice of the bad guy, the main bad guy, Goliath or was that Michael Jai White or what? The scene with Spidey taking the phone call on the tower was funny.
 
No its just true. As businessmen they've been trained to think they must now make all product a reflection of society. The Hispanic and at times Black coalitions would stage boycotts and protest because of a perceived injustice. I'm open minded enough to say they likely had a point at some time. The PC police(various coalitions and watchdog groups) now insist/highly encourage these type of cast moves.

I will never accept that there's somehow something bad about including nonwhite characters in a show. When you say that, what you're effectively saying is that only white characters should be allowed, and that's a hideous thing to even imply.

And it is so tiresome to hear people spouting that "PC" catchphrase. It's lost all meaning. Given the current political climate, all the backlash against inclusion, all the political pundits and shock jocks screaming about how wrong it is to acknowledge the very existence of anyone who isn't white and straight, it's meaningless and hypocritical to claim that supporting inclusion is the "politically correct" position.

When they are building a show from scratch with no established backstory I could care less. Its when they take something as established as Spiderman and his universe(granted Liz Allen is hardly known) and make the type change they did with Liz.

That's a ridiculous double standard. If they can rewrite Spider-Man's continuity by making Gwen and Harry his friends in high school rather than in college, or change Electro's origin and appearance so drastically, then why do you find a change in ethnicity so unacceptable? Come on, that's trivial in comparison to some of the changes that have been made. If out of all the changes that have been made, the change in ethnicities is the one thing you find intolerable, then... well, I won't say what that implies.
 
Your calling that dude a racist, but it is racist to change a character just because they are white. They can make new characters. It would be the same if they took Blade and made him a white guy because they thought they needed more white guys.
 
like how the train shot is reminiscent of spiderman 2
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Your calling that dude a racist, but it is racist to change a character just because they are white.

This is where my view on the issue comes in. By turning a white character into a minority, the only message being sent is that the person wanting to add color to the story lacked the imagination and talent to come up with their own compelling character; and the irony by extension is that the paint by numbers move ends up only propagating negative racial stereotypes (such as people of color being "lazy", "stupid" or otherwise "criminal"). Honestly, the best that could be done to represent another race was to steal an existing white character?

Bleeding hearts can say whatever they like, but I find this kind of half-assed race inclusion to be offensive; it is tantamount to a white actor slapping on black face instead of actually giving the job to a black person.
 
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