Spoilers ST Strange New Worlds - StarShips & Technology Season 1 Discussion

[Kamen Rider Blade]

- So Enterprise's docking tube is a downgrade from Discovery's fancy-schmancy forcefield version? And does this Enterprise not have a portside saucer docking port, like the TMP?

I consider it a upgrade, not having to rely on active power to get blown out into the vacuum of space.

Just because you can do something the Fancy/Smancy way with force field, doesn't mean you should.

Discovery was a "Experimental" ship and remember the USS Enterprise was experimenting with Holographics Comms until Pike ordered the entire system to be removed because of the interference they caused that brought down the rest of the ship.

He also didn't like the fact that he felt like he was "Talking to Ghosts".

I'm not a fan of the transparent Ghost like Holograms, seriously, just use solid Holograms like in ST: Nemesis, it's cheaper on the VFX department.

I wouldn't be surprised that Pike ordered them to use a more traditional docking tube that doesn't rely on active power.

- Is it just me or did La'an's uniform tunic have a slanted hem across the bottom? I don't think anyone else has this? It's not bunched up or anything.

I didn't notice, but I'll have to check for it next time I watch SNW.

- I'm fairly certain at this point that all of the Enterprise's larger standing sets are all made on the studio's virtual volume. Engineering, the cargo bay, the big rimside lounge, and the Starbase conference set are all there. I think the "tell" is that each set has a distinct physical barrier that the actors and cameras can use as a reference. Here, there's a safety rail with steps leading downwards, aft of the AC filter Uhura and Hemmer were working on. Contrast this with the set's use on Discovery, where they're often just in the middle of an open space (like the SFHQ shuttlebay) with no visual reference. I think this makes it easier to work with as visually it lets cast and crew work more as they're on a set with a defined volume, rather than as if they were on an open-air soccer pitch.

You are correct, they talk about that in "The Ready Room w/ Wil Wheaton".

Also, I'll point out that if SNW is indeed episodic, it means that NEXT week, for the first time in this era of Trek, we may have to rationalize why the Enterprise is pristine and shiny again after this week's rather rough first date. Hoo, been a while for that.

They went back to StarBase for repairs and are back out there to explore.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

From 1x05:

- The Enterprise is wisely under repair after the battle the previous week. the Starbase docking tubes seem to be... flexible? Is that a really long hike to get to the facility proper?

- That definitely looks like another Constitution-class starship is pulling into dock. I didn't spot any particular differences in the models, but the other one was quite a bit further away. When was the last time we even SAW two Connies in the same shot in canon Trek? TOS?

- Given that the scorch plate is probably in the area where the Enterprise was hit by a missile previously, perhaps this means that the hull plate itself has migrated around the hull over time, notably whenever the ship undergoes a refit.

Mark

 

[blssdwlf]

From 1x05:
- That definitely looks like another Constitution-class starship is pulling into dock. I didn't spot any particular differences in the models, but the other one was quite a bit further away. When was the last time we even SAW two Connies in the same shot in canon Trek? TOS?

- Given that the scorch plate is probably in the area where the Enterprise was hit by a missile previously, perhaps this means that the hull plate itself has migrated around the hull over time, notably whenever the ship undergoes a refit.

Yep, it was in TOS when we saw two Connies in the same shot ("The Ultimate Computer", "The Omega Glory", "The Doomsday Machine")

The hull plates on these modernized ships look so much more custom that it would seem that the only place that plate could migrate to is on the same radius/distance from the center. But it does raise a funny question though - what happened to all the other plates to cause them to be replaced?

 

[Ronald Held]

Four Connies in "The ultimate computer"

 

[Mike McDevitt]

From 1x05:

- The Enterprise is wisely under repair after the battle the previous week. the Starbase docking tubes seem to be... flexible? Is that a really long hike to get to the facility proper?

- That definitely looks like another Constitution-class starship is pulling into dock. I didn't spot any particular differences in the models, but the other one was quite a bit further away. When was the last time we even SAW two Connies in the same shot in canon Trek? TOS?

- Given that the scorch plate is probably in the area where the Enterprise was hit by a missile previously, perhaps this means that the hull plate itself has migrated around the hull over time, notably whenever the ship undergoes a refit.

Mark

That's the answer I was looking for! The engineers love to change things, but they keep the scorch for good luck.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

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[publiusr]

Tron got a better send off than Spock

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

From 1x06:

- Ship's phasers are red now. They were also red back in "Children of the Comet", but were blue-white back when they took on the Section 31 fleet. And of course they'll be blue-white again in a few years for TOS.

- Are the away team's suits repurposed from the ones used in the first couple years of Discovery, or new? The shoulder-mounted lights are reminiscent of what we've seen before. The full EVA suits from "Comet" definitely looked like repaints of the ones from DSC S2.

- M'Benga's daughter suggests that she didn't realize she was being transported back into the buffer. I guess there's some precedent for this, as the villagers from TNG "Homeward" didn't realize they were being beamed around, albeit they had a storm or two as partial cover.

Mark

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

And now 1x07:

- The Enterprise drops buoys from that aperture between the impulse engines. All things considered, could this ALSO be an aft torpedo launcher? This Enterprise has dedicated ports for the forward ones, so it stands to reason this could be the rear-facer. Which would give it a (visually-referenced on the model) advantage over the TOS and TMP versions of the ship!

- Hand phasers on the bridge are grabbed from holsters hidden under consoles or the CO chair. Phasers have also been seen hidden away on the E-D and Voyager bridges in assorted episodes, but in more compartments (which may not actually exist, i.e. in TNG "Power Play" when a possessed O'Brien is seen JUST AFTER he pulls a couple out from "under" the tactical console.

- Christopher "Arrr" Pike (look it up - thanks Mike!) gets Ortegas to fire on the "impulse engines", but the fire clearly impacts the warp nacelles. It's okay though, as the subsequent graphic does show red circles on the nacelles and the engines. Are we confirming that this Enterprise also has impulse engines on the nacelles as people have speculated on the TOS Enterprise for decades? Is Ortegas just being thorough?

Mark

 

[blssdwlf]

- Christopher "Arrr" Pike (look it up - thanks Mike!) gets Ortegas to fire on the "impulse engines", but the fire clearly impacts the warp nacelles. It's okay though, as the subsequent graphic does show red circles on the nacelles and the engines. Are we confirming that this Enterprise also has impulse engines on the nacelles as people have speculated on the TOS Enterprise for decades? Is Ortegas just being thorough?

Pike actually called to fire on "impulse thrusters" so it would make sense that the nacelles provide thrust for both warp and impulse. Only after the nacelles are hit does the impulse drive on the saucer start to turn red. So it could be that damage to the impulse thrusters fed back into the impulse drive or exhaust system in the saucer...

 

[NCC-73515]

- Christopher "Arrr" Pike (look it up - thanks Mike!) gets Ortegas to fire on the "impulse engines", but the fire clearly impacts the warp nacelles. It's okay though, as the subsequent graphic does show red circles on the nacelles and the engines. Are we confirming that this Enterprise also has impulse engines on the nacelles as people have speculated on the TOS Enterprise for decades? Is Ortegas just being thorough?

Mark

If the nacelles, specifically the aft one, can have the ship's life support systems, why wouldn't it have impulse stuff as well

 

[blssdwlf]

If the nacelles, specifically the aft one, can have the ship's life support systems, why wouldn't it have impulse stuff as well

There was an episode where the ship's life support systems were in a nacelle?

 

[Tosk]

There was an episode where the ship's life support systems were in a nacelle?

73515 is mockingly referring to the nonsensical line from Into Darkness, "I will target your life support systems located behind the aft nacelle."

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Captain's secret love nest, confirmed?

Mark

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Also also - at one point Angel gets their crew to fire the Enterprise phasers, and we see... SIX red beams lance out into the void, including two pairs that seem really close together. Six? We usually see them firing in one paid of ball turrets at a time. The way the visual was oriented, it suggests MAYBE that the two forward pairs were firing simultaneously, with one ball of one starboard and one port emplacement firing as well. What gives? Either way, I sure would be squeeing with glee...

Mark

 

[blssdwlf]

Based on the angle of the phaser fire they all came from the 4 phaser ball emitters directly in front of the bridge. The central pair seemingly able to fire 2 beams per emitter. Oddly the port and starboard single phaser emitters had "slower beams" compared to the central set.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I miss seeing the saucer edge outside the window. It looked amazing in the movies and on the Enterprise in Discovery's second season. I wonder why they've ditched it?

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

I wonder fi you could explain the four central beams as the dorsal and ventral forward pairs all firing? The two outer beams of the four could be the dorsal turrets, and the two inner beams are the ventral, being a bit further away for perspective? Even that is wonky given that the camera angle is off-center (and that should be a WINDOW, not a viewer).

Mark

 

[blssdwlf]

It's possible but I think your original assessment is more correct. I think the port/starboard emitters are too far apart to be the pair of connected dorsal emitters and just the singles in front of the bridge (but not emitters on the port/stb saucer). The center 4 could be the dorsal and ventral pair firing at the same time and the beams being side-by-side are some weird optical trick and they are actually top/bottom beams.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

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So I did more basic analysis on Real-Time communications latency:

The ITU (International Telecommunications Union) has set the standards for communications latency apparently
According to my analysis, a 1-second delay would be the equivalanet to a Walkie-Talkie style long latency communications where you have to give pause to the other party on the line to reply, anything longer than that is really just not practical for RT (Real-Time) communications and you might as well send email or other forms of pre-recorded information.

Spoiler: So here's my analysis for the maximum distance covered via maximum lag possible

With the relatively short distance that Real-Time Standard Subspace Radio communications needs to be, it's understandable that you have to be fairly close within < 1 ly of each other.

That's why during the TNG era, your vessels had to get fairly close, usually wtihin Advanced Telescope Visual Range to host Real-Time Video Conferencing or Audio conferencing.

Hubble can usually identify the presence of a object that is ~Earth's moon distance in near real time.
Hubble Space Telescopes distance to the moon is about (363,000-405,000)km
Light-Second = Light can travel 299,792,458 meters in 1 sec which is slow enough for Near Real Time Visal ID
So any object that is ~"Earth's Moon Distance" would have a Light-lag of 1.2108 - 1.3509 sec

But the distance for basic Real-Time Subspace communications is only slightly out of Near Real-Time visual range & measured in ~2.17 light-hours.