Phasers, like turbo-lifts, starships, and shuttles, travel at the speed of plot.
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Phasers, like turbo-lifts, starships, and shuttles, travel at the speed of plot.
Yeah, in "Amok Time" it takes FOREVER for the turbolift to get from the bridge to the deck with Sickbay and that can't be more than three or four decks max. Plot determines length of conversation or action scene.
Very true, so many different firing modes, colors, types, etc.
We've gone from Blue, Orange, Red, to Blue-Green. There have been occaisions where we see Rainbow colored Phasers.
We've seen Beams, Bolts, Streaks, etc.
My controversial opinion:
All versions of Trek are in the same time line (except stuff like the Kelvin films and MU episodes, obviously). The idea of a single canon works fine.
Yup. Easier this way.
It makes for a very weak battery.
Controversial opinion: Episode titles are not that important. I understand why they are there, but if the title doesn't work then I don't give it much notice.
How many great episodes of Trek have long, unwieldy titles though?
That would imply I remember their titles.
I remember Balance of Terror and the Enterprise Incident. Even if I can recall titles that doesn't mean the episode stood out in any meaningful way.
I think "For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky(TOS)," "Inter Arma Enim Silent Legis(DS9)" and "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Mad(DSC)" are long title episodes that are great or even excellent.
I think titles are an essential part of the package and can enhance the overall quality. The City on the Edge of Forever would smell as sweet by any other name, but a title like Timejump would've been far less poetic. A good memorable title helps you remember the episode, so they're useful for that alone.
Personally I'd much rather have more titles like Where No Man Has Gone Before, Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry, In the Pale Moonlight and The Measure of a Man over Ethics, Clues, Oasis, Dawn, Rise, and especially Cathexis and Tsunkatse.
Also they should put the episode title on screen at the beginning of act one again!
Personally I'd much rather have more titles like Where No Man Has Gone Before, Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry, In the Pale Moonlight and The Measure of a Man over Ethics, Clues, Oasis, Dawn, Rise, and especially Cathexis and Tsunkatse.
Also they should put the episode title on screen at the beginning of act one again!
There's also "The Enterprise Incident" where Spock and Romulan Commander go into the turbolift, Spock announces "Deck two", and they proceed to have a nice long chat all while the level indicator keeps showing they're continuing to go down. Is there a scenic route for when there's a delay at the destination deck?
In unrelated opinions, in Star Trek V, the ship had 79 decks. We see "78" near the top, but there's still enough headway to count for at least one more deck. Two for a nice even 80 decks and if you want to double-up on stupid easteryeggs, one for "Derh, 79 decks and 79 episodes is derh kewl" versus "Doooi, 80 decks that count all 79 episodes plus 'The Cage' is derh kewl..."
If nothing else, those late-80s neon palettes really work wonders inside the turbolift shaft... you know, where nobody under normal circumstances would ever get to see them... unless someone is climbing the decks as cheap exercise... until the lift comes up and *SPLAT* there's a fresh coat of red paint blocking the neon blues and purples...
I know, turbolift rides are ocan be some of the most painful scenes to watch. The turbolifts themselves use maglev technology to get around the ship, and presumably, because they are called 'turbo' lifts, they can get to a given destination very fast.
If they want to film conversations between crew members during these moments, then show the ride inside the turbolift being extremely fast (aka, as it should be) and then doing the rest of the conversation at a given destination or a corridor until the next bit of the scene happens in that (or another) area.
Even when I watched the movie originally, I ignored the insanely high deck number, but something WAS indeed off with that scene when I first watched it.
I don't understand what was the point of that. They could have gotten away with saying Spock, Bones and Kirk were at the bottom of the secondary hull, and below the neck area and used one of the service corridors to just rocket boost their way from the bottom of the ship to the upper most deck of the saucer and keep the deck count consistent with the actual ship's internal structure.
I will say this, I didn't particularly MIND ST:V Enterprise ability to get to the center of the galaxy in a couple of days. That would have signified a massive breakthrough in Warp propulsion (starting with the Excelsior TW drive), and could have said that the ship was able to top out at 10 000 Ly's per day (roughly - or a 10x increase over regular Warp engines from TOS - and 1000 Ly's per day would be consistent with various TOS speed estimates).
In film, I feel the scene was meant to give a little humor during the goofy rocket boot ride, plus pay homage to the 79 episodes of the TOS.
In universe, it has been proposed that the new Enterprise-A was slapped together vary fast with the turbolift shaft deck segments redirected from the space station rebuild (which has more than 79 decks), and in the rush to launch, just haven't been relabeled yet. As seen in the movie, Scotty had the maintenance crews working on functional problems like the doors and lights; relabeling unseen internal areas like the inside of the turbolift shafts were very low on the priority. YMMV.
Personally, if an episode is good then the title becomes more memorable. If the episode is bad all the poetic titles won't save it.
And if I'm streaming I can see an episode title at any time. No need for it on the episode itself.
Actually a big reason for why I hate CotEoF so much is that this average trip to the studio backlot does not live up to the poetic name. I had expected something a lot stranger and more interesting than the story of the Keeler Elf going to play in traffic before she and Kirk can do the devil's tango.
At least For the World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky actually lives up to its name.
I love a good, memorable/poetic title, even if the the episode was less than stellar. As a kid, I could only remember the titles of two episodes, and one was "Who Mourns for Adonais?" (the other being "The Trouble with Tribbles", which was memorable for other reasons). But I agree with the person above who hates titles base on a single, in-world nonsense word. I mean, why not just name the thing Brblibnx? It amounts to the same thing. No-one is ever going to remember the 'kewl word' you came up with, Mr.Writer.
And Startrek turbolifts were supposed to omni-directional, like a Wonka-vator. Cool concept, but then you have all sorts of lift-tubes annoyingly bisecting the ship (unless you run them around the exterior, which would make more sense). The turbolift should have just been a ship-to-ship transporter, but then we would never have gotten those nifty little exposition-dump conversations. As for the number of decks, well, starships should have more. Back in the 60's-70's (when I was watching the episodes when they aired), the idea of a spaceship having 24 decks was HUGE back then. The ships seemed insanely massive (ya know, because we were watching footage of three Apollo astronauts crammed into something the size of a Volkswagon). Then SW came along, swingin' its big ol' star destroyers around, and pointing at its Deathstar like, "Hey baby... want summa dis?", and then we got Kilometer's long V'ger, soon followed by even more kilometers long Space whales ship. It was all ship-envy, I tell ya'!
But I guess if you have to have exposition dumps, you got to make lots more floors for those elev... err.. Turbolifts. Hey! Maybe the Turboilift IS the ship, and everything else is just a holodek. You know, the whole 'bigger on the inside' thing? LOL
And Startrek turbolifts were supposed to omni-directional, like a Wonka-vator. Cool concept, but then you have all sorts of lift-tubes annoyingly bisecting the ship (unless you run them around the exterior, which would make more sense). The turbolift should have just been a ship-to-ship transporter, but then we would never have gotten those nifty little exposition-dump conversations. As for the number of decks, well, starships should have more. Back in the 60's-70's (when I was watching the episodes when they aired), the idea of a spaceship having 24 decks was HUGE back then. The ships seemed insanely massive (ya know, because we were watching footage of three Apollo astronauts crammed into something the size of a Volkswagon). Then SW came along, swingin' its big ol' star destroyers around, and pointing at its Deathstar like, "Hey baby... want summa dis?", and then we got Kilometer's long V'ger, soon followed by even more kilometers long Space whales ship. It was all ship-envy, I tell ya'!
But I guess if you have to have exposition dumps, you got to make lots more floors for those elev... err.. Turbolifts. Hey! Maybe the Turboilift IS the ship, and everything else is just a holodek. You know, the whole 'bigger on the inside' thing? LOL
SNW is the best Trek show ever!
I've got the winner of them all right here:
The Borg did win, and Picard - while having his Locutus gear surgically grafted in in pt 2 of TBOBW - is shedding a tear just as he's imagining being rescued onward and every scene onward. Granted, that's also pretty creepy but so many tv shows use the dream sequence trope that it could fit into that moment as well. Especially when this is the only time he has shiny new bits and pieces just snap on, rather than the gooey gore we see in STFC and in VOY, so something clearly isn't quite right...
...I also picked a bad week to start sniffing glue...
The Borg did win, and Picard - while having his Locutus gear surgically grafted in in pt 2 of TBOBW - is shedding a tear just as he's imagining being rescued onward and every scene onward. Granted, that's also pretty creepy but so many tv shows use the dream sequence trope that it could fit into that moment as well. Especially when this is the only time he has shiny new bits and pieces just snap on, rather than the gooey gore we see in STFC and in VOY, so something clearly isn't quite right...
...I also picked a bad week to start sniffing glue...
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