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What was wrong with Kirk?

The whole time, Lenore was seducing Kirk to get close to him in order to kill him, so, don't put the whole thing on him.

Exactly. Lenore was using her feminine wiles to get close to Kirk so she could later kill him. But Kirk was just trying to charm Lenore as a means of gaining access to Anton Karidian. Neither one was sexually motivated.

Also, why would she be attracted to an older man; well, she was crazy with daddy issues...

Well, not really. She just wanted him dead. And beyond that, 33 year-old Kirk was a man that 19 year-old women would absolutely fall for. He had a great career and he was smoking hot. I know a man at work who divorced his wife and married the babysitter, and he isn't nearly as attractive as 1966 William Shatner. Girls in early adulthood really like a reasonably handsome man with a good job. A lot.
 
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Now, the Real Life reasons why it behaves like this after horrendous tragedies is clear. It was a different (tv) era and they didn't want to leave the viewers with a bitter taste at the end of an episode.

TV of the 60s did not always end episodes that way--including Star Trek (think of Kirk at the conclusion of "The City on the Edge of Forever", "The Alternative Factor" and "A Private Little War" to name a few). From Route 66, Naked City, The Fugitive, the original N.Y.P.D., The Invaders, Combat!, The Mod Squad or Webb's Dragnet & Adam-12 (again, to name a few), sad, or downright tragic endings with no resolution were pretty common. Even I Spy--often categorized as a "serio-comedy"--had a number of dark or sad episode conclusions.

Your TOS examples were more of a writing / circumstance matter than any consistent pattern, whether it was with Kirk or any other character.
 
TV of the 60s did not always end episodes that way--including Star Trek (think of Kirk at the conclusion of "The City on the Edge of Forever", "The Alternative Factor" and "A Private Little War" to name a few).

You could add Requiem for Methuselah and Dagger of the Mind too. And everyone is appropriately somber at the end of Catspaw. Additionally, Obsession lacks any sort of jokey ending. Finally, even Turnabout Intruder and The Way to Eden (both routinely savaged by fans) have reflective codas.
 
Kirk, after the death of his brother, his sister-in-law and two nephews, with one nephew, Peter, left an orphan.


I recall nothing of his other two nephews dying

That's from the Blish adaptation. In the episode as aired, Peter is his only nephew.

Also, "What are Little Girls Made Of?" has a line of dialogue that gives George Samuel Kirk three sons.

In "Operation: Annihlate!" McCoy says:

MCCOY: Captain, I understand your concern. Your affection for Spock, the fact that your nephew is the last survivor of your brother's family.

http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/29.htm

Clearly McCoy does not know of any other survivors of Kirk's brother's family who went to Deneva.

Does McCoy know that Sam's other 2 sons went to Deneva and that they died, because their bodies were found off screen?

Does McCoy know that Sam's other 2 sons went to Deneva and assume that they died, because theiy have not yet been found, living or dead, where they should be?

Does McCoy know that Sam's other 2 sons didn't go to Deneva, and mean that Peter is the only survivor out the 3 family members who did go to Deneva?

Does McCoy falsely think that Peter was the only child of Sam and not know Sam had 2 other sons who didn't go to Deneva?

Does "What Are LIttle Girls Made of?" happen in an alternate universe where Sam and Aurelan decided to adopt two boys, the other 2 sons, and "Operation: Annihilate!" happen in an alternate universe where they decided not to adopt them?

In canon, there is no proof of any of those.

As for why kirk seems a little odd, ignorning tragedies soon after they happen, perhaps it is PTSD or some other psychological problem.

According to the best guesses of chronologists, Kirk would have been about 13 on Tarsus IV. And although all 4,000 surviving colonists would have known Governor Kodos, and there was a photo of Kodos on file, there were 9 living persons whose testimony would have been necessary to convict Kodos.

LEIGHTON: Jim, Jim, I need your help. There were only eight or nine of us who actually saw Kodos. I was one, you were another. If he's to be exposed,

COMPUTER: Data being received. Kodos file of all survivors. There are nine actual eye witnesses who can identify Kodos

SPOCK: SPOCK: He'd better. There were nine eye witnesses who survived the massacre, who'd actually seen Kodos with their own eyes. Jim Kirk was one of them. With the exception of Riley and Captain Kirk, every other eye witness is dead. And my library computer shows that wherever they were, on Earth, on a colony, or aboard ship, the Karidian Company of Players was somewhere near when they died.

KIRK: You sound certain. I wish I could be. Before I accuse a man of that, I've got to be. I saw him once, twenty years ago. Men change. Memory changes. Look at him now, he's an actor. He can change his appearance. No. Logic is not enough. I've got to feel my way, make absolutely sure.

http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/13.htm

And I wonder whether Kirk saw Governor Kodos only once, or whether he only saw Kodos KIlling his victims once.

It is my belief that all of the people who helped Kodos massacre his victims were killed fighting the relief force which deposed Kodos. And none of persons who Kodos actually killed were alive to testify against him. Only Kirk and 8 other persons, one a boy much younger than Kirk, saw Kodos committ the massacres and survived to tell about it. The history books say Kodos massacred the 4,000 colonists because Kirk and the other 8 witnesses told the relief force they had seen it.

So if the 9 witnesses died before Kodos was found and tried, there would no eyewitness evidence against him. People who only testify that the 9 witnesses had told them that Kodos was in command at the massacre. And that was hearsay evidence, inadmissable in court.

Therefore, Kirk was almost certainly present when Kodos was slaughtering the 4,000 victims. And thus Kirk could have been very traumatized.

And possibly the results of this and other traumas in Kirk's life give him have a different attitude to life and death than normal people have.

I not that Kirk is an experienced commander in space warfare.

In "Whom Gods Destroy":

GARTH: Upon the firmest of foundations, Mister Spock. Enlightened self interest. You, Captain, are second only to me as the finest military commander in the galaxy.
KIRK: That's very flattering. I am primarily an explorer now, Captain Garth.
GARTH: And so have I been. I have charted more new worlds than any man in history.

KIRK: I agree there was a time when war was necessary, and you were our greatest warrior. I studied your victory at Axanar when I was a cadet. In fact it's still required reading at the Academy.

http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/71.htm

So Kirk has a lot of experience in war. And what is war like in Kirk's era?

In "Errand of Mercy"

KIRK: How to handle their interstellar relations! We have the right
AYELBORNE: To wage war, Captain? To kill millions of innocent people? To destroy life on a planetary scale? Is that what you're defending?
KIRK: Well, no one wants war. But there are proper channels. People have a right to handle their own affairs. Eventually, we will have
AYELBORNE: Oh, eventually you will have peace, but only after millions of people have died. It is true that in the future, you and the Klingons will become fast friends. You will work together.

http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/27.htm

In "A Taste of armageddon":

KIRK: I'm not interested in discussing our differences. You don't seem to realise the risk you're taking. We don't make war with computers and herd the casualties into suicide stations. We make the real thing, Councilman. I could destroy this planet.

KIRK: All that it means is that I won't be around for the destruction. You heard me give General Order Twenty Four. That means in two hours the Enterprise will destroy Eminiar Seven.

http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/23.htm

So Kirk could have participated in the destrouction of planets and the killing of millions.

And "Operation: Annihlate!" Couldhave ended much worse than it did.

KIRK: No, no, Bones. There's more than two lives at stake here. I cannot let it spread beyond this colony, even if it means destroying a million people down there.

Captain's log, stardate 3289.8. I am faced with the most difficult decision of my life. Unless we find a way to destroy the creatures without killing their human hosts, my command responsibilities will force me to kill over a million people.

KIRK: I will accept neither of those alternatives, gentlemen. I cannot let this thing expand beyond this planet, nor do I intend to kill a million or more people to stop it. I want another answer. I'm putting you gentlemen on the hot seat with me. I want that third alternative.

So in that epiisode Kirk may be rather happy at the end, despite losing two of his family members,because he has saved another family member, and has also avoided killing over a million people to save billions.
 
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The writers of "Operation: Annihilate!" didn't either. Aurelan refers to her husband as Sam before she passes away.

Genuine Kirk got Android Kirk to call Spock a "half-breed" so I'm not so sure that Genuine Kirk would let on that not everything Android Kirk remembers or knows is correct. Maybe if Android Kirk got past Spock he might have been caught by his brother calling him Sam. IMHO :)
 
Genuine Kirk got Android Kirk to call Spock a "half-breed" so I'm not so sure that Genuine Kirk would let on that not everything Android Kirk remembers or knows is correct. Maybe if Android Kirk got past Spock he might have been caught by his brother calling him Sam. IMHO :)
Excellent point! I've seen a lot of people getting narked off that Pike and others are calling him "Sam" in SNW. I'd completely forgotten the unreliable narrator element! :techman:
After all, Kirk ends the interview by declaring that he and his android double "do have some interesting differences" and Shatner's shifty facial expression; perhaps Kirk is musing on those certain minor errors which crept into the copying process...
 
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Fun fact: in one of the novels they tried to rationalize Kirk's bizarre behavior at the end of "Operation annihilate!" - he was actually having a mild mental breakdown and Bones and Spock were worried about him. They were just humoring him, because they knew he was too proud to ask for help. And they didn't want to tell him in front of the crew "Jim, you just lost a brother and you're making jokes on ears, you are all right?"
 
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Too bad most episodes don't have enough time to show both the funeral and the smiles that occur after a bit of time has passed. Otherwise, if just seeing the last shot and not the funeral it could be misconstrued that the loss of many cadets and Spock had the bridge crew feeling happy without mourning for their lost friends...
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I haven't read through the whole thread, so i don't know if anyone mentioned hits one yet. But a couple of caveats - as a guy who grew up in the 60's and watched the shows live, I can tell you the shows were a product of their time, and thus, so was Kirk's behavior. TV shows were always expected to end on a 'high note' with some moral lesson learned, and usually by cracking a joke, That was just how TV was done back then.

As a guy who's rewatching a lot of Trek now, I can say that I wish I had kept my rose- colored glasses on, because TOS does not hold up well, at all. I though it was amazingly realistic as a kid, better than anything I'd ever seen (and by comparison then, it was). I actually would not mind them digitally remastering the entirety of TOS, redoing the bridge & ship, the spaceship scenes, etc, with modern CGI. That would be amazing. But leave the actors - I do not want them to ever redo the original series with a new cast - that just wouldn't work for me. No iteration of Spock will ever be Mr. Spock except Nimoy (although the only thing I really liked about the new movies is Zachary Quinto's Spock; he did a great job with what he had). that being said, the WORST offender for Kirk, IMHO, would be in The Changeling, because at the beginning of the episode we find out Nomad just murdered FOUR BILLION PEOPLE. Kirk beams the thing aboard, where it murders Scotty, erases Uhura's mind, and does a bunch of other nasty crap, and Kirk laughinly makes a joke at the end, "My son, the Doctor". Great big belly laughs there, as he heads away from a star system his 'kid' just genocided.
 
TV shows were always expected to end on a 'high note' with some moral lesson learned, and usually by cracking a joke, That was just how TV was done back then.

...except it was not in any broad way. I posted this the other day, but TV of the 60s did not always end episodes on some happy / positive note, including Star Trek (think of Kirk at the conclusion of "The City on the Edge of Forever", "The Alternative Factor", "The Conscience of the King" and "A Private Little War" to name a few). If you check out Route 66, Naked City, The Fugitive, the original N.Y.P.D., The Invaders, Combat!, The Untouchables, The Mod Squad or Webb's Dragnet & Adam-12 (again, to name a few), sad, or downright tragic endings with no resolution were common. Even I Spy--often categorized as a "serio-comedy"--had a number of dark or sad episode conclusions.

TV history was never "all things are happy at the end".
 
People are bothered by Lenore's age? There is so much more creepiness in Star Trek, when you really look for it.

In Voyager, the actor who played Neelix was 40 when he took the role. his 'love interest', Kes, was played by an actress who was just 19. It gets ickier - Kes the character was only one years old. So yeah, Ocampans age differently, but I could never get the image out of my head of 39 year old Neelix changing a baby's diapers and thinking, "I can't wait to hook up with you next year" (he did hide on Ocampa for that period - he was a military deserter, so him knowing her from birth is not unreasonable).

And wasn't there an episode of TNG where some very young girl had a crush on Riker? It could have been other characters in a different ST show, but I recall watching it and thinking, "that would never fly now". Some humanoid species live for over a thousand years, others just a few years. I guess we have to accept that at some point in the future, when we do meet other species, out moral compass is going to take some major adjusting. The Lenore thing isn't even worth a second glance, IMO. Cheers
 
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