Generations could have been far greater had they left out Kirk's fumbling story....
TMP-DE fully restored in 4K…it’s about time!
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Saw it with my girlfriend today at 3 In fresno
Cried like a baby.
I’ve now seen this movie three times in the big screen. This time and Twice when it came out with my father. I was 4 and I won free tickets in a happy meal.
What a beautiful experience.
So much more fulfilling on the big screen. Just magnificent
The new soundtrack minus the shitty red alert is gorgeous.
Dawned on me how grand this film is. And how fantastic the pacing in this movie is compared to the frantic spastic films of today. You get the chance to absorb, the Jerry Goldsmith score, Trumbull’s Vger cloud, the nuisances of the performances.
Man that score in a theater.
So happy. Could watch it once a month in a proper theater and be very happy.
Nitpicks;
officers lounge added windows were shitty. Way too small and way too out of place. Preferred the original DE scene with the added engine and a hint that they could have been somewhere on the saucer rim instead of the actual officers lounge. Daren did better a few years ago and I’d wager with more time and money he could perfect it
red alert is now shitty. The original was menacing and unnerving and iconic. Please put it back
scale still off when they step onto the enterprises saucer during the vger bridge walk. Unless everyone is 10 ft tall.
Minor but should have been fixed and I have OCD.
some of the scenes were soft but it may have been my theater, don’t know.
again those are nitpicks and all things considered, minor
What a wonderful day and how blessed I was to see this in a theater a third time
Cried like a baby.
I’ve now seen this movie three times in the big screen. This time and Twice when it came out with my father. I was 4 and I won free tickets in a happy meal.
What a beautiful experience.
So much more fulfilling on the big screen. Just magnificent
The new soundtrack minus the shitty red alert is gorgeous.
Dawned on me how grand this film is. And how fantastic the pacing in this movie is compared to the frantic spastic films of today. You get the chance to absorb, the Jerry Goldsmith score, Trumbull’s Vger cloud, the nuisances of the performances.
Man that score in a theater.
So happy. Could watch it once a month in a proper theater and be very happy.
Nitpicks;
officers lounge added windows were shitty. Way too small and way too out of place. Preferred the original DE scene with the added engine and a hint that they could have been somewhere on the saucer rim instead of the actual officers lounge. Daren did better a few years ago and I’d wager with more time and money he could perfect it
red alert is now shitty. The original was menacing and unnerving and iconic. Please put it back
scale still off when they step onto the enterprises saucer during the vger bridge walk. Unless everyone is 10 ft tall.
Minor but should have been fixed and I have OCD.
some of the scenes were soft but it may have been my theater, don’t know.
again those are nitpicks and all things considered, minor
What a wonderful day and how blessed I was to see this in a theater a third time
Oh don't do that! That's the worst.
Last time I caught A L I E N in theaters a group of clowns came in right during the interior tracking/panning shots. The movie had already started. One of them had the temerity to whip out the phlashlight app on his phone without phumbling to phind it first (toll NOT paid). Then they took their time shuffling through the row just ahead of mine. Then remained standing while they played f-ing musical chairs. No I don't want this seat here why don't you take that seat oh hey who wants popcorn everyone I'll get two and hey make that a double softdrink. Complete and utter phucking disregard for the people already in attendance.
Had a similar experience tonight but unrelated to the matter at hand.
I caught both screenings and there are NO spoilers. PLEASE don't be the @$$hole who walks in phucking late.
Oh and a person's supposed to time it just right so he misses bonus feature, hits the two-minute window of the overture without interrupting the movie itself? I shouldn't need to point it out, that's not happening. Plus I just said there's nothing in the bonus feature worth going out of one's way to miss.
Saw both screenings yesterday. Was planning to see the rest of them throughout the week but I think I’m good seeing this just two times. For every high moment, there’s an equally low moment. It’s the most highly overproduced bottle episode ever even with all of the re-edits. The supporting cast working with a high profile director like Robert Wise must have been a thrill but they’re stuck mostly at their consoles doing bridge related dialogue they did on the TV show. I guess it’s better than not acting, but you still wish that there was more to offer for them. This also put the main three in conflict since they knew their characters inside out and someone else is coming in to tell them what they should and shouldn’t do. It is such a shame that the original theatrical version didn’t include the single tear scene which I heard pissed Nimoy off royally since that was an important part of his character arc and that’s what made him reluctant to return for the sequel and inspired him to take on more of a role in the production besides just acting.
The audience was just about what I expected from it. The first screening had a couple of women sitting in front of me, one with pointed ears. It was annoying at times seeing them talk over to person sitting the other seat next to them, but I can’t blame them being excited about a movie that has a rather dull reputation for its slow pace. At least they weren’t playing with their phones during the long drawn out cloud sequence, unlike a screening of last year’s Dune, which I had to be treated like I was the asshole for telling someone to put away. The second screening had significantly less people and I invited a work friend to see it with me, as my mom did when she first saw it in 1979. I congratulated her for still sticking around after the Enterprise docking sequence which is a good test to see if this is your kind of movie or not. For some reason, the movie didn’t get going until 15 minutes after it’s scheduled start time which wasn’t a problem for the first screening. I felt bad since it’s already a long movie and we both work morning shifts the following day, but she enjoyed it for what it was and it was nice to see someone reacting to it for the first time since the only Star Trek films she had seen prior was the Abrams films and Wrath of Khan.
The bonus feature before the film was a treat. I hope it’s not the only new thing when the 4K Blu-ray comes out this September. It is kind of a shame knowing that a feature at that came out in 1979 that showed Persis Khambatta getting her head shaved is only available in videotape quality, which the featurette used excerpts from. Hoping they announce more details about that later and it’s good news for a change.
The audience was just about what I expected from it. The first screening had a couple of women sitting in front of me, one with pointed ears. It was annoying at times seeing them talk over to person sitting the other seat next to them, but I can’t blame them being excited about a movie that has a rather dull reputation for its slow pace. At least they weren’t playing with their phones during the long drawn out cloud sequence, unlike a screening of last year’s Dune, which I had to be treated like I was the asshole for telling someone to put away. The second screening had significantly less people and I invited a work friend to see it with me, as my mom did when she first saw it in 1979. I congratulated her for still sticking around after the Enterprise docking sequence which is a good test to see if this is your kind of movie or not. For some reason, the movie didn’t get going until 15 minutes after it’s scheduled start time which wasn’t a problem for the first screening. I felt bad since it’s already a long movie and we both work morning shifts the following day, but she enjoyed it for what it was and it was nice to see someone reacting to it for the first time since the only Star Trek films she had seen prior was the Abrams films and Wrath of Khan.
The bonus feature before the film was a treat. I hope it’s not the only new thing when the 4K Blu-ray comes out this September. It is kind of a shame knowing that a feature at that came out in 1979 that showed Persis Khambatta getting her head shaved is only available in videotape quality, which the featurette used excerpts from. Hoping they announce more details about that later and it’s good news for a change.
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I saw this at the 3pm screening on Sunday. It was a fun experience, as I took my youngest son (who loves TMP) to see it. It was his first Star Trek experience in a movie theater.
I must say, this is the second time I've seen TMP at a Fathom event (saw it on the 40th anniversary in September 2019) and it's the second time I've been disappointed in the quality of the film. Yes, it's awesome to see it on the big screen in a theater, but each time, and in particular this time, the image quality has been weak. In this case, the projector was not properly aligned with the screen and the image was rather dark and muddy. I am used to watching movies on my 109 inch screen with a 4k projector, and this particular theater felt like a step back in picture quality.
Oh well, it was still fun and my son enjoyed it....I'm glad we got to experience the human adventure together!
I thought Kirk / Shatner was one of the best things about GEN. Without that aspect, it's just another mediocre TNG episode about a time anomaly.
I must say, this is the second time I've seen TMP at a Fathom event (saw it on the 40th anniversary in September 2019) and it's the second time I've been disappointed in the quality of the film. Yes, it's awesome to see it on the big screen in a theater, but each time, and in particular this time, the image quality has been weak. In this case, the projector was not properly aligned with the screen and the image was rather dark and muddy. I am used to watching movies on my 109 inch screen with a 4k projector, and this particular theater felt like a step back in picture quality.
Oh well, it was still fun and my son enjoyed it....I'm glad we got to experience the human adventure together!
I thought Kirk / Shatner was one of the best things about GEN. Without that aspect, it's just another mediocre TNG episode about a time anomaly.
I've had this reaction at the theater a lot lately. I don't know how much of it is the fault of mis-configured theater equipment versus the amazing home video technology consumers have access to these days. I've "only" got a 64" OLED at home, but it means I immediately notice the poor black levels at theaters. The sound volume and mix are also frequently wrong (at least to my ears), but this has been true for decades. It can be awesome when everything is dialed in just right, but that's very rarely the case outside of some blockbuster presentations.
I'm usually left thinking "this will be a lot better when I get the Blu-ray at home", and, unfortunately, my theater's Fathom presentation of TMP wasn't an exception.
The shared/communal experience is the main reason to watch movies at the theater these days. Glad you and your son enjoyed it!
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Given the varying reactions to the visual quality of the theatrical presentation—some great and others not so much—I’m more interested in impressions of the editing and creative choices. Does the film work better overall?
I’m pretty sure it’s going to look and sound great on BluRay come September.
I’m pretty sure it’s going to look and sound great on BluRay come September.
Saw it yesterday and it was absolutely visually stunning! The new shots are great! Couldn’t stop laughing at the wormhole dialogue…”Tor…pe…do…a…way…”. Will be getting the 4K Blu ray in Sept…
If you want to see it in theater in quality you have to find one showing it with a DCP "digital presentation. The other method is a satelite feed and I've heard nothing but complaints those showings.
I found a theater nearby that has a digital showing tonight. Fingers crossed.
I found a theater nearby that has a digital showing tonight. Fingers crossed.
My showing was a digital one it was fantastic! The details were crisp and clean (aside from the shots that were partly out of focus to begin with.) I never realized Nimoy looked this old at this early stage of the film series. Enjoy!
My audience was a bit fidgety, and I think the surround-sound tuning wasn't quite right. I also don't think I got as much out of it, since I'd just watched the whole thing last month when it became available on P+. Still, gave me something to do on a Sunday afternoon. I did keep my eyes peeled for any changes, and it looked like the frozen grain on that one shot of the orbital office was fixed (or it was never a problem, and was a compression artifact when it was uploaded to P+), but I didn't notice any other new-new differences.
Where would you find this information? From my experience all of the Star Trek re-release movies have been properly projected.
I've been screwed by other movies though that were very obviously 1080i, with the flickering horizontal lines you typically expect of interlaced home video (Thelma and Louise in 2017, Dirty Dancing and Bonnie and Clyde from around that time, original Planet of the Apes, plus a number of the older TCM lineup movies released through Fathom). But it's been years since I've had that happen.
I dig the purple eye shadow they gave him. Having grown up watching re-runs of both TOS and Gilligan's Island, I can't help but think of Gilligan as Hamlet whenever I see Spock in his TMP black smock.
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lol it’s just an overture
Yes flows better, it’s tighter.
Everything added makes sense and lends to a better narrative
aside from the shitty new red alert which sounds like mild alert And the decision to remove Kirk’s extra “viewer off!!” Command.
It’s basically the same cut as the DVD. So yeah, it’s an improved version of the film overall.
My only disagreement is with one of the new effects and one jarring instance of clumsily redubbed dialogue (Vejur dissolving, Kirk speaking to Chekov in a completely different tonal modulation after just speaking to Decker).
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Just came back from seeing it. sadly i was the only one at the theater. There were scenes I am pretty sure I haven't seen since ABC movie night in the 80's on a grainy TV, UHF station and rabbit-ears. (I know they've been released previously but I haven't seen them)
I enjoyed getting a better fix on what V'ger looked like. With all the care they took on some things, it was odd they did not bother to fix the old blue-screen outlines on the Klingon ships. There was another ship with a positively grainy looking work-bee. It sounds like I am poking at the movie with tweezers but I just wonder why they made the choices they made. They were obviously not against changing and tweaking special effects.
The golden sparkly typeface.. I can't read back to all 42 pages to see if it was discussed. as much as I don't like nitpicking. But I can't get around it. It looks cheesy. I don't know why it was done. It's like hubcap spinners.
But it was enjoyable to see the DE. The pacing is much better. Just some subtle changes makes this a much better film, in my opinion. And I can't remember the last time I was in a theater and got to listen to an overture. (Guessing mid-80's, with A Passage to India, I think Maurice Jarre did the soundtrack and I'm not going to bother checking myself).
I enjoyed getting a better fix on what V'ger looked like. With all the care they took on some things, it was odd they did not bother to fix the old blue-screen outlines on the Klingon ships. There was another ship with a positively grainy looking work-bee. It sounds like I am poking at the movie with tweezers but I just wonder why they made the choices they made. They were obviously not against changing and tweaking special effects.
The golden sparkly typeface.. I can't read back to all 42 pages to see if it was discussed. as much as I don't like nitpicking. But I can't get around it. It looks cheesy. I don't know why it was done. It's like hubcap spinners.
But it was enjoyable to see the DE. The pacing is much better. Just some subtle changes makes this a much better film, in my opinion. And I can't remember the last time I was in a theater and got to listen to an overture. (Guessing mid-80's, with A Passage to India, I think Maurice Jarre did the soundtrack and I'm not going to bother checking myself).
The V’Ger dissolve is jarringly bad. I wish they had kept the orientation of the ship sideways rather than head-on. But more importantly, it looks very cartoonish.
I actually didn’t mind the officers lounge stuff, but this quick shot at the end was my only big complaint.
