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Good points. And I have to say that it's really hard to make an informed decision about a candidate when they're such a wildcard. Election is on June 2nd, which is really quite soon. Our local Liberal candidate I spoke about earlier is someone we know very little about, which doesn't sit well with me. You would think someone trying to get elected would make more of an effort to make himself be known.
I wouldn't trust someone enough to marry them if I only knew them two months, but I'm supposed to trust someone I've never even been on a date with to run my province?
 
You are on their lists because of something you inadvertently clicked on that included you in the cohort of people who clicked. It's gone beyond what we were used to in the "old days." I'm going to sound paranoid, but we get tracked and become targeted in ways we never imagined a few years ago.

It's at the point where blocking ads or cookies doesn't do the trick anymore. I get shit in my mailbox that I have no idea why they would be sending messages. And I've been really careful about it, just cause I hate having to sort through spam and junk. At the same time there are some notices that I do want to get. It's become pretty chaotic. I expect it to get worse over time.

It's getting close to the point where I'll drop using email. Mail me using actual physical Canada post. Not quite there yet but it's getting close.

Or maybe I'm just an old age curmudgeon.

I do agree with your point about how we're tracked and targeted, but I've never actually received any campaign literature via email. (Serious question: do they do that?) These are phone calls (which could definitely be explained by being on the wrong list somewhere), and physical literature delivered to me, which is the oddest, because someone in the chain somewhere should realize that these items they're delivering are way outside the intended riding.
 
First time I’ve heard of getting campaign literature by email. I can't recall ever seeing that.
 
First time I’ve heard of getting campaign literature by email. I can't recall ever seeing that.
All you ever have to do to get on a campaign email list is to have emailed or signed a petition sent to the party leaders. After that, what happens is usually this:

Reformacons ignore you if you're not one of the party donors.

Liberals don't acknowledge the communication but start sending many "please give us money" emails.

NDP does acknowledge the communication and asks for money.

Green Party answers your email and/or addresses the topic of the petition, stating the party's position on it, what they've done so far, and what they plan to do. They also ask for money, but at least you've had some information to go along with it. Elizabeth May should never have stepped down.

As for phone calls... Not 10 minutes after the federal writ was dropped last summer, the NDP sent me THREE emails, asking for donations.

I phoned and complained about it and said that harassing people just minutes after the writ was dropped was NOT the right way to persuade people to vote for your party.
 
I wouldn't trust someone enough to marry them if I only knew them two months, but I'm supposed to trust someone I've never even been on a date with to run my province?


Yeah, exactly. Something sounds very weird about all of that. Therefore, I know which party I'm not voting for. In politics, you have to put your best foot forward, hoping to make a favourable impression, but I wouldn't be surprised if he stumbles at the starting line. It's interesting how different regions can have completely different experiences based on past voting histories, and what the parties have meant for them. Locally, we haven't had good support from the Conservatives, and it's been that way for decades, leaving the Liberals and NDP 50/50 chance at winning the riding, even when the Province itself like it is now ends getting a Conservative leadership. I predict the NDP is going to have more of an edge in this region.

This shows how different Northern Ontario is from Southern Ontario. We have different needs that don't necessarily align with that of Toronto. Ford's been promising the return of the Ontario Northland train service as part of his campaign promises, which is a vital link for those traveling to and from Toronto from Northern Ontario. McGuinty's government cancelled the service. Ever since, parties have made it part of their election promises, to reinstate the train service, but I'll believe it when I see it. Meanwhile, North Bay has a large Ontario Northland train depot with several engineering bays to service engines and cars, and they've been contracted to refurbish the Metrolinx GO trains that Northern Ontario never rides.

do agree with your point about how we're tracked and targeted, but I've never actually received any campaign literature via email. (Serious question: do they do that?) These are phone calls (which could definitely be explained by being on the wrong list somewhere), and physical literature delivered to me, which is the oddest, because someone in the chain somewhere should realize that these items they're delivering are way outside the intended riding.

By email is definitely odd. It's almost like you got your email in a spam/marketing list, and that list is somehow blasting it without regard to the destination. I would also be contacting the office of the party in question and see what they have to say. Ironically, that'd only make me not want to vote for them in any capacity. I'd imagine there's someone somewhere else wondering the same thing about getting mail for your riding.
 
This shows how different Northern Ontario is from Southern Ontario. We have different needs that don't necessarily align with that of Toronto. Ford's been promising the return of the Ontario Northland train service as part of his campaign promises, which is a vital link for those traveling to and from Toronto from Northern Ontario. McGuinty's government cancelled the service. Ever since, parties have made it part of their election promises, to reinstate the train service, but I'll believe it when I see it. Meanwhile, North Bay has a large Ontario Northland train depot with several engineering bays to service engines and cars, and they've been contracted to refurbish the Metrolinx GO trains that Northern Ontario never rides.


Though I'd give better odds of that happening than of horvath's promise of 300 doctors for the region.

No idea where she's gonna get them given the demand across the province and that fact the fewer medical students are choosing to go into general practice according to a torstar article.

Still think a better idea would be to look at what capacity various GPs have. My former GP would see 2 maybe 3 patients per hour and most of the time you'd sit around tiddling the thumbs between the time the RPN had done weight and BP and the doctor came. then again she wasn't paid per patient so had no incentive to see more.

So up the per patient rate and set a minimum of 4 per hour.

Now keep in mind that in many cases it's simply reviewing pathology results and renewing prescriptions.
 
Though I'd give better odds of that happening than of horvath's promise of 300 doctors for the region.

Yeah, well I think all politicians end up having unrealistic agendas that they can't possibly meet. Those kinds of promises are always the ones they pledge and inevitably break. I agree, the 300 doctors seems like rather a high bar to accomplish. We do have a medical school in the region, which recently became independent (to become the first independent medical school in Canada) thanks to the Laurentian University fiasco which forced its hand, so maybe the idea was to generate doctors from there, even though the original intent from that school was to train enough doctors that would stay in Northern Ontario, which hasn't really happened.

At least, one good thing that's been seen under Ford's watch has been the continued 4-laning of Highway 69. That one's been long in the cards and the progress has been impressive to watch, considering there was worry when he was elected that he'd neglect it. The last several years has seen some great progress.
 
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Yeah, well I think all politicians end up having unrealistic agendas that they can't possibly meet. I agree, the 300 doctors seems like rather a high bar to accomplish. We do have a medical school in the region, which recently became independent (to become the first independent medical school in Canada) thanks to the Laurentian University fiasco which forced its hand, so maybe the idea was to generate doctors from there, even though the original intent from that school was to train enough doctors that would stay in Northern Ontario, which hasn't really happened.

It can be hard to get professionals to work in more remote areas (back home teachers were supposed to do time in country schools but would find whatever excuse to avoid it and the policy was dropped).

But if they're already in the region for studying, why not stay there?

Are there any incentive programs for encourage them to stay?

Where my in-laws live, the two local councils negotiated with a doctor upon graduation she would work there for number of years & they would cover her medical school fees.

Worked well at first until she decided she didn't want so claimed a sick mother and looked for an out while not being on the hook for medical school debt. She went but is on the hook for the debt.

The region eventually got a new doctor though.
 
It can be hard to get professionals to work in more remote areas (back home teachers were supposed to do time in country schools but would find whatever excuse to avoid it and the policy was dropped).

But if they're already in the region for studying, why not stay there?

Are there any incentive programs for encourage them to stay?


Agreed, it can be hard to get them to work in remote areas. As far as incentives go, I'm not entirely sure, but I know that many of the doctors that have graduated from there have gone on to go south to Southern Ontario, or even south of the border.

The story about your in-laws sounds familiar, as I think I've heard of a similar story about a year or so ago. Might even be the same one. As it is, we continue to use walk-in clinics. I don't have the use of a family doctor, but that's the average for most living in the region. And doctors tend to not stay long either.
 
As it is, we continue to use walk-in clinics. I don't have the use of a family doctor, but that's the average for most living in the region.

Just for the record, that's not really unusual around here, either. It's almost impossible to find a GP accepting new patients, and if you do manage to find someone, good luck getting through the interview process if you have a pre-existing health issue. I can't seem to find any current statistics about this, unfortunately, but it's been recognized as a problem here for a while now.
 
Just for the record, that's not really unusual around here, either. It's almost impossible to find a GP accepting new patients, and if you do manage to find someone, good luck getting through the interview process if you have a pre-existing health issue. I can't seem to find any current statistics about this, unfortunately, but it's been recognized as a problem here for a while now.


only reason I got a new doctor when I moved here was my wife was already on her books even then it was 14 months before I saw her for the first time.

And being harder to find GP if you've got a pre-existing condition? head meet desk.

How many people don't these days don't have a fucking pre-existing condition these days - BP, cholesterol, diabetes and frankly if it wasn't for such conditions, people wouldn't need to see a doctor as much.

Can't remember if was here or back home where there was push to have pharmacists take on some of the prescribing powers of the doctors for patients with certain conditions and the medical associate threw an absolute shit fit.

Also mentioned up thread about the candiate for my riding not seeming to actually live here let alone work here (dug back through the local paper and other contended lived, worked and owned a business in the riding).

Seems the liberals have done the same thing in Saute Ste Marie. Had indigenous woman who's a respected and experienced lawyer as well as university lecturer and they went with a school kid who doesn't even live in the riding (hails from Sudbury).

We really don't need a liberal version of sam fucking osterhoff in the legislature and the other optics aren't too good either. This was supposedly a captain's pick from del duca.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...ium=standalone_content_recirculation_with_ads

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colu...ium=standalone_content_recirculation_with_ads
 
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Just for the record, that's not really unusual around here, either. It's almost impossible to find a GP accepting new patients, and if you do manage to find someone, good luck getting through the interview process if you have a pre-existing health issue. I can't seem to find any current statistics about this, unfortunately, but it's been recognized as a problem here for a while now.

Yeah, I keep forgetting it's more of a provincial problem, or maybe even a national one. And even if you find a doctor, it's not guaranteed they'll either stay for long, or even be very good. My Dad had managed to get himself a doctor via the service that helps you find a doctor, HealthCare Connect, I think it's called, but the doctor had terrible bedside manners and wouldn't let him ask questions, as he considered questions a personal affront to his medical authority, rather than a way to keep patients well-informed. My Dad stopped seeing him as soon as he had the opportunity to leave him.
 
My Dad had managed to get himself a doctor via the service that helps you find a doctor, HealthCare Connect, I think it's called, but the doctor had terrible bedside manners and wouldn't let him ask questions, as he considered questions a personal affront to his medical authority, rather than a way to keep patients well-informed. My Dad stopped seeing him as soon as he had the opportunity to leave him.

I'm kinda in the same boat. I was fortunate enough to eventually find one... but then I quickly found out *why* he was the only one in the city that was still taking patients. I've stayed there, because where else would I go, but I try to avoid him unless absolutely necessary.

Did have a wonderful experience recently with a doctor at the clinic they partner with for after-hours support, and ironically that one is much closer to where I live, too. I wish I could get in with them, somehow. :sigh:

On a completely different note, I wasn't really thrilled with them holding the first leader's debate in the middle of the day today. Shouldn't they at least make some kind of effort to hold it at a time when most people aren't at work and could actually watch it? I'll have to go look and see if I can find the video.
 
Yeah, the really good ones you encounter via clinics are rarely taking in patients, which is frustrating. I've had some really great experiences with some of those doctors, and we had tried getting onto their list at one point, but nada.

And speaking of clinics, we rarely use the Northwood clinics, as those are actually a for-profit chain from the U.S. I've seen them in other cities too, and when I've went in the past, they were always so crowded with long waits.
 
We really don't need a liberal version of sam fucking osterhoff in the legislature and the other optics aren't too good either. This was supposedly a captain's pick from del duca.
I was meaning to post this a few days ago...
19-year-old from Toronto could be Ontario's youngest political candidate
I think your young man may have beaten him by a year or so. One of the dangers of recruiting teens for candidates is that teens tend to say stupid things on the internet.

Our youngster's political experience was being acclaimed (as in no one else wanted the job) as president of the local NDP riding association. He failed his vetting to run as a candidate because of '(his) social media comportment.' Kids these days... So he's running as an independent with a platform identical to the NDP. :crazy:

Too bad. We could have had Oosterhoff, Kallioinen, and Kaplun getting in food fights in Legislature cafeteria, or maybe just trolling each other online. OH! Or maybe they're all trying to date the same Legislature Page. This could be better than Corner Gas!
 
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I was meaning to post this a few days ago...
19-year-old from Toronto could be Ontario's youngest political candidate
I think your young man may have beaten him by a year or so. One of the dangers of recruiting teens for candidates is that teens tend to say stupid things on the internet.

Our youngster's political experience was being acclaimed (as in no one else wanted the job) as president of the local NDP riding association. He failed his vetting to run as a candidate because of '(his) social media comportment.' Kids these days... So he's running as an independent with a platform identical to the NDP. :crazy:

Too bad. We could have had Oosterhoff, Kallioinen, and Kaplun getting in food fights in Legislature cafeteria, or maybe just trolling each other online. OH! Or maybe they're all trying to date the same Legislature Page. This could be better than Corner Gas!

The other thing with tme as teens -is if they're in safe riding, they'll spend their whole careers in parliament sucking the public teat and turning into harpers and pollierves.
 
Got some campaign literature from the PCs today, and it was actually for the candidate in my riding. So at least one of the parties seems to have a grasp of the city's geography.
 
How does a teenager even become a political candidate anyway? Has this ever happened before? I could see being a political activist and making your way up from there, by getting the attention of a party that holds to their beliefs, but this kind of seems nuts. It almost feels like a situation in which the party could easily "use" them.
 
How does a teenager even become a political candidate anyway? Has this ever happened before? I could see being a political activist and making your way up from there, by getting the attention of a party that holds to their beliefs, but this kind of seems nuts. It almost feels like a situation in which the party could easily "use" them.
Sam Oosterhoff was elected for the PCs in 2016 when he was 19. He's a home-schooled member of a Christian church linked to Charles McVety and very vocal anti-abortion/same sex marriage. AFAIK he got nominated and elected through the support of his church and wasn't well liked by Patrick Brown who was PC leader at the time. There was quite a bit about all this in the news back then. He's still an MPP but seems to be pretty much ignored by the govt and the press,

Can't think of anyone younger so I guess he was the groundbreaker.
 
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