Jennifer Lien
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There were hints that Kes's lifespan could be prolonged, especially in Cold Fire.
As for rules, to quote Neelix and later on Tuvok in Learning Curve, sometimes it's necessary to bend the rules.
As for humans and Vulcans, there ar a lot of such relationships in Star Trek.
From Before and After...
I had my doubts to mention this in my previous post since it took place in an alternate future and actually never happened in "our Trek Universe".
But you're correct that this was also discussed in Before And After.
Anyway, Tom and The Doctor was right and I'm sure that such a solution had been possible.
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Tom Sucks.
"Please let me die"
"No, I get more cuddles"
"i have so much arthritis!"
"Cuddles!!"
"i have to get up three times a night to pee."
"Cuddles!"
Kes is in unbearable pain.
Looking at Andrew is unbearably painful.
Just let her die Tom.
Be a mencsh.
Yes, though I never got the impression that that biotemporal chamber doc built would have bought her much time, perhaps a few additional weeks or months at best. Then again, it was only an experimental first version and perhaps could have been improved upon further.
The 'self-realisation' route of Tanis (he said he was fourteen) would seem to be more successful, but also to harbor other dangers.
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Oh please.......
I'm sure that both methods, both The Doctor's experiment and tanis methods would have worked.
The whole idea of prolonging her lifespan was just Trek's Achilles heel of creating aliens then wanting them to be human or even better than human. Her species had a natural life span. Tampering with it was just a way to cheapen the character and maker her (even more) bland.
Oh no, she would have been even better with a prolonged lifespan.
There was a potential for a proper heart breaking ending at around the 6/7 season mark had they not sacked Lien and had they stuck with the concept of the shortened life span. It's a shame that circumstances meant that we didn't get it.
Honestly, no matter how much I hate that episode in season 6, I'm happy that they never did choose the option you suggest.
Why? because I HATE "heart breaking endings"!
I've seen enough of real "heart breaking endings" in real life to want to have it thrown in my face when I relax from the daily misery in "the gray universe".
At least the character destruction in that episode in season 6 can be written around and corrected.
Yes, I totally agree with you, Lynx. "Spirit Folk" should not have been made!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Indeed. The opportunity to practice a healthy goodbye.
I love a great cathartic tragedy every now and then. And I think Kes would have been a great one and Lien would have been wonderful at pulling it off.
Yes, I totally agree with you, Lynx. "Spirit Folk" should not have been made!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Well, I have to agree here. Episodes like Spirit Folk and Fair Haven were downright bad.
Good examples of how the "writers" totally lost all inspiration and the ability to come up with good stories.
Those episodes should never have made.
They were bad but they weren't as bad and insulting as a certain other episode in the dreadful season 6.
As I wrote before, I really hate syrupy tear-wrenching crap. Such things are for the people who watch those meaningless, bland soap operas which the TV channels are pouring over us.
If I want that entertainment, I can watch such series or the daily news. Or go to a hospital full of dying and crying people.
As for Kes, there shouldn't have been any "goodbyes" at all. She deserved to be among those who arrived to Earth.
Besides that, there are no such things as "healthy goodbyes", not when it comes to killing off people, even if it's just about fictional characters.
The only "healthy goodbye" I could imagine when it comes to Voyager is if Berman, Braga and Taylor had been booted out after season 2.
There's nothing meaningless about a life well lived and the impact that life has on those who interact with it.
Death is as much part of human life as the living of it. As the saying goes, it's the only thing we all have in common. And fiction serves as a way for us to explore what that all means to us, in all of it's aspects.
Learning to let go, say goodbye and be happy that the departed were part of your life is absolutely worthy to be explored in fiction, especially a long-form ongoing one.
Death is as much part of human life as the living of it. As the saying goes, it's the only thing we all have in common. And fiction serves as a way for us to explore what that all means to us, in all of it's aspects.
Learning to let go, say goodbye and be happy that the departed were part of your life is absolutely worthy to be explored in fiction, especially a long-form ongoing one.
I think that Kes could have gone either way. A story where she gains more time, perhaps through the maturation of her mental abilities, could have worked wonderfully if properly handled. But so could the story of her abbreviated life, and how she makes the most of her nine years. Most of us don't do that with the time we have.
A life well lived and saying goodbye are not meaningless.
Even Voyager tackled this idea with the Doctor in "Real Life."
Well, I don't hate Spirit Folk and Fair Haven per se, but in my eyes, they're just fluff. They add nothing substantial to the Voyager narrative. We already know that they often run the same holoprograms to relax a bit, that Janeway is alone and that holograms can apparently become sentient, after all.
As for Kes dying, I don't think it would have been necessary to address, because at the point in time when the Voyager finale took place, she probably would have had about a year left.
I'm not necessarily against giving her a normal life span close to the very end of the series, but I think the risk of it feeling much like an artificially sweetened and forced ending would be fairly high. I probably would have less qualms with it if that were to happen at some point in the middle of the series.
As for Kes dying, I don't think it would have been necessary to address, because at the point in time when the Voyager finale took place, she probably would have had about a year left.
I'm not necessarily against giving her a normal life span close to the very end of the series, but I think the risk of it feeling much like an artificially sweetened and forced ending would be fairly high. I probably would have less qualms with it if that were to happen at some point in the middle of the series.
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Me either. I was just messing with @Lynx a little.
It would require skillful handling by the writers involved. Considering that the writing team of the time thought "Endgame" (AKA spend a hour telling us what didn't happen to the crew and never tell us what did) was a good idea, perhaps it's just as well that Kes wasn't there.
