Jennifer Lien

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  1. Danja

    Danja Commodore Commodore

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    Budget was never a consideration:

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  2. Captrek

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    Makes sense. Nobody had to get booted to make room for Michael Dorn on DS9.
     
  3. Oddish

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    DS9 juggled 25 or so main and recurring characters with the proficiency of a circus performer. I think VOY could have managed 10.
     
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  5. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    That article is revisionist fluff.

    They wanted to fire Wang.

    With Wang gone they had the money to Hire Jeri.

    They hired Jeri, but before they fired Wang.

    The bees got Wangblocked, because of people magazine designating him sexier than Brad Pitt.

    Someone else had to be fired.

    Firing Jeri was a strong possibility, since she'd only been on the show for one episode, and did not have a lot of traction, but they got rid of Jennifer instead.

    No one was fired to bring Jeri on.

    Wang had to go, which presented opportunities.
     
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  6. Oddish

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    Beltran tried to get fired but couldn't.
    Wang was too good-looking to fire.
    So it was Lien. :confused:
     
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  7. Guy Gardener

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    The production still would have taken a hit since I just assume that they paid Wang more per episode than Lien, beyond the hit they were already taking since Ryan was obviously being paid more than Wang.
     
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  8. Oddish

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    Lien was released.
    Wang and Beltran were both kept in a state of limbo, winding up as the Wooden First Officer and the Eternal Ensign.
    Lose-lose-lose, really. :mad:
     
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    Which of the writers loved Neelix enough that he wasn't considered being written out?
     
  10. Oddish

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    It would be interesting to see which of the original nine characters the viewers would have wanted to see gone. Nearly all of them had their detractors.
    Janeway was schizo.
    Chakotay was wooden.
    Paris was cocky.
    B'Elanna's episodes always focused on the same thing.
    Harry and Kes were vanilla.
    Neelix was annoying.
    Tuvok was dry.
    The EMH was... well, I said nearly all.
     
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    If this is why she left the show, it would be tragic.

    It's really none of our business out here in the general public what she's doing or how she's doing, but she has clearly been suffering for years, and I can only hope she's finally finding the help she needs to get better.
     
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  12. Guy Gardener

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    She did Men in Black The Animated Series at the same time as Voyager, and it all proceeded swimmingly.

    Neelix was on Benson.

    He's arguably the most famous person on the main cast.

    More recently he was gay on Girls, and gay on Avenue 5.

    Still arguably the most famous actor in the cast.

    I saw Jeri Ryan while re-watching Arrow the other day, and it was a surprise.
     
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    Eternal Ensign still seems a better fate to me than being tossed off, only to return once as a being-gone-mad. Also in real world terms, at least Wang had a steady job for the remaining years.

    The EMH was not wooden, vanilla, or dry, IMHO. I could see how one could consider him the other things.
     
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    You misunderstood. I said "nearly all" of them had their detractors. Not many people wanted to get rid of the Doc.

    Yeah... but why do it at all? It made no sense, in-universe. And out of universe, it seems pretty clear that they did it largely to piss us off.
     
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    And the biggest loser was the audience because they had to watch a piece of cardboard ripe with unfortunate implications (Chakotay) and a embarrassing man-child (Harry Kim) every week.
    Note: This is about the characters and how they were written, not about the actors.
     
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    An embarrassing man-child would have actually been an interesting character. What we got was a highly intelligent, hardworking, and extremely capable young officer who randomly behaved like either the aforementioned man-child, a clueless newbie, or an insufferable micromanager when circumstances demanded it, then returned to his default persona afterward.

    Jennifer Lien's character might have been underdeveloped, but at least she seemed sort of consistent. Until the abomination that was "Fury", anyway.
     
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    Rude? They were running a business and if Lien’s problems were affecting the business, sometimes, you simply have to cut someone loose. Continuing to enable them by giving them massive amounts of money doesn’t help them.
     
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  18. Quinton

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    Quite possibly the greatest phrase I've seen this month.
     
  19. suarezguy

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    LOL, harsh, and I think they were still mostly well done, but there is something to that.
     
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    Agree. I know the feeling.
    Butt - what is the evidence for the whole firing-Wang; wait, now People think he’s beautiful. The budget could contain Jeri. So maybe Ms. Lien’s difficulties were in fact the reason. I wish her well, as always.
     
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