How does seeing people online saying they'd like to see something change your level of enjoyment watching the actual show?
Could a new Trek show done in the 90's TNG/DS9 style work today?
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How does seeing people online saying they'd like to see something change your level of enjoyment watching the actual show?
Because it's clear the loudest voices are getting the grease.
It may be clear to you. Aside from attempted corrections to the chaos going on behind the scenes on Discovery it seems to me the other shows are doing exactly what they set out to do.
Agree to disagree, etc.
F. King Daniel wrote:
This may sound shocking to you, but not being enamoured by the whole woke virtue signalling and activism in the latest Trek, does not make someone a racist. In fact, if the stories and characters were actually given priority over spreading the "message", I wouldn't mind so much all the political dressing they attach to it.
But here we go. Trek fandom today is split in two: those eating up all they are served and.. the big bad "racists".
Jack Wolfe wrote:
When a product is bad there's not really much (good) to say about it. I could write a 15 pages essay, reaching the same conclusion. Would that then make me an expert in the field?
Bornin1980something wrote:
Well, tell you what: Better to be on the “white side” and to be implied a “racist”, than to be on the woke side and be an actual racist, by calling out people on their skin color.
This may sound shocking to you, but not being enamoured by the whole woke virtue signalling and activism in the latest Trek, does not make someone a racist. In fact, if the stories and characters were actually given priority over spreading the "message", I wouldn't mind so much all the political dressing they attach to it.
But here we go. Trek fandom today is split in two: those eating up all they are served and.. the big bad "racists".
Jack Wolfe wrote:
When a product is bad there's not really much (good) to say about it. I could write a 15 pages essay, reaching the same conclusion. Would that then make me an expert in the field?
Bornin1980something wrote:
Well, tell you what: Better to be on the “white side” and to be implied a “racist”, than to be on the woke side and be an actual racist, by calling out people on their skin color.
There were probably plenty of people who didn't see themselves as racist back in the 1960s who were upset that Star Trek made such an explicit statement about contemporary politics within an episode at the time. They wouldn't have used the term "virtue signaling" of course, but it could easily be seen as the writers signaling their own viewpoints on the ridiculousness of racism.
If you seriously can't see that TOS was spoon feeding you "woke" truths like RACISM BAD in the same way Discovery is spoon feeding you BEING GAY IS OKAY than I think you've been watching Star Trek wrong all this time. They literally painted characters half black and half white, for crying out loud
See you after the next ban. Or not.
TOS was so "woke" in 1968 it almost got itself kicked off the air in half the country because a white man kissed a black woman in one episode. Anyone who thinks Trek didn't get in-your-face political until Alex Kurtzman is just a really, really lazy and bad viewer of this franchise.
Just mentioned it in another thread, but I've always felt like Manny Coto solved this one with S4 of Enterprise. The answer was 2-3 episode arcs, which provided some serialization but kept things moving in an episodic fashion overall. And love him or hate him, you did see a lot of character development with Archer over the series as he went from a naive, wide-eyed explorer to a man who was angry and bitter that mankind's efforts at peaceful exploration just seemed to keep resulting in death and hardship.
Another show that did serialization well was Justified.
Six seasons, and each one had a solid, serialized arc to it. However, each episode of the show did a great job of standing on its own, and each season had several episodes which were 'standalone' episodes within the broader serialization of the show.
Of course, that show enjoyed some of the best writing I have ever seen on TV (it is, in fact, my favorite TV show of all time), and they had a solid plan of where they were going with it from start to finish.
Six seasons, and each one had a solid, serialized arc to it. However, each episode of the show did a great job of standing on its own, and each season had several episodes which were 'standalone' episodes within the broader serialization of the show.
Of course, that show enjoyed some of the best writing I have ever seen on TV (it is, in fact, my favorite TV show of all time), and they had a solid plan of where they were going with it from start to finish.
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Which is what you need is a plan or an outline of what you want to do, where characters are going and contingencies for when things go wrong.
exactly. But this is really, really, really hard to do, especially with many writers involved.
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oh, sure, you’re sooo tolerant.
sorry if people different from you exist.
well, thanks for pointing it out and proving it.
I'm going to have to ask people to please not respond to the Breadfan duals while we deal with the situation.
Does reporting his duals' posts when we see them help, or does it just "clutter" up the report feature on your side?
Definitely Report. I've been spending most of my time in the Picard forum lately.
I wouldn’t have been posting “duals” if you and/or your staff haven’t been deleting my content all this time. It is simple as that.
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