Do you mean Stuart Baird, and Nemesis?
Could a new Trek show done in the 90's TNG/DS9 style work today?
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Everybody says they want 90's Star Trek back, but nobody wants to pay for it either. It would probably get a few thousands viewers.
yep, my bad, I should have been more precise.
And I loved Beyond by the way, it’s the only Kelvin movie I actually liked.
Yup. The harsh reality is one that what is desired is extremely niche and would not sustain Trek in a current business model. But, you know, CBS are greedy and won't spend the money, those jerks!
Well I hope someone's still got some interest in classic weekly Star Trek Starfleet spaceship stories or else Strange New Worlds isn't going to last long.
Indeed. I don’t think that the people that subscribe for P+ would increase OR decrease by much based on how much serialised Star Trek is.
SNW still don't be TNG is more my point.
No it isn't, if it's made the way they did it with Deep Space Nine.
That series had it's dark moment but it was never dystopic in the same way as current series are. In between the more "darker" episodes, there were lighter episodes which lifted the mood and even in the darkest episodes there were hope to be found.
Today's series are mostly gloomy, with characters who are real losers in an existance which is dark with no hope. Very typical for the downright boring 2020's but personally I get more than enough of it in my daily life.
Back in the days, I had some series I used to watch. Now, there is nothing to watch.
The last series I watched was NCIS, a favorite which I've followed since its start in 2003 and always liked.
But something happened with it in the middle of season 18 and when Gibbs left in season 19, I realized that it was all over. It's turning into just another boring 2020's series.
I rather prefer to watch deep Space Nine for the umpteenth time than waste my time on 2020's dystopia.
Personally I hate streaming for many different reasons.
But if they come up with a decent Trek series with good characters and 90's style episodes, I might give it another try.
And that's fine. But I don't see it as dystopic as the word is defined. I see darkness and light. I see very human people and it feels very TOS. TOS could be downright dour in its tone. That's not a bug; that's a feature.
Mileage will vary. Especially on the "loosers" category. But then I've always been a looser so throw me in that category.
I know I am. And that's OK because I have hope and that hope comes from experience with humans not Star Trek, no matter how well written.I don't think that you are a loser.
You just have to start believing in yourself.
What makes you say that? If serialised shows like Picard and Discovery can get a reasonable number of viewers (I'm guessing here, I don't really know how many tune into these shows) then why presume an episodic format show will get less?
Unfortunately, there's not much hope among humans in the current dystopic era.
Depends on the humans. I see it daily.
I don’t see this at all. A bit in the first two seasons of discovery and in season 1 of Picard, but not in the latest stuff.
In my lifetime, meaning from 1979 on, I think the darkest decade has been the 2000s, not the 2020s.
I also think the darkest Star Trek was DS9 Seasons 6-7, ENT Season 3, and yes DSC Season 1 (I'll give you that one). The rest isn't even close.
PIC Season 1 had lots of F-bombs and the Icheb scene is hard to watch. But that doesn't amount to dystopia at large. Not utopia either, I'll admit. Something in-between.
The current seasons of DSC and PIC aren't really that dark, and SNW sure won't be.
I also think the darkest Star Trek was DS9 Seasons 6-7, ENT Season 3, and yes DSC Season 1 (I'll give you that one). The rest isn't even close.
PIC Season 1 had lots of F-bombs and the Icheb scene is hard to watch. But that doesn't amount to dystopia at large. Not utopia either, I'll admit. Something in-between.
The current seasons of DSC and PIC aren't really that dark, and SNW sure won't be.
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Unfortunately I see it a lot in the country where I live. Especially by those who read the evening papers and believe what's written in them.
I find the 2010's and 2020's more dystopic than the 2000's. The recent years haven't been that "funny" or hopeful.
DS9.s seasons 6-7 were dark in a way but it was never that hopeless darkness which are in many of the current series. DS9 had lighter episodes in between which lifted the mood. Not to mention the spirit among thew crew and the conviction that the "good side" woould actually win. That's not so common in the current doom-and-gloom series.
As for ENT and DSC, I gave up those series after five (ENT) and three (DSC) episodes.
As for PIC, I've only watched season 1 so far due to airing problems. I might watch the other two but only because it's about Picard.
The 2000s were the first years after 9/11. We had the War on Terror, we had Enhanced Interrogation, we had the Housing Market Collapse, we had the worst part of the Great Recession, and 9/11 itself. You'd think differently about life after 9/11 if you were part Middle-Eastern like I am. It took me five years before I felt comfortable saying what my ethnicity was in public again.
It was also the period of Zero Tolerance. Marijuana was still considered criminal and you could go to jail for having it. I don't smoke pot, but I have a lot of friends who do, and I don't think they deserve to be arrested for it, and now they won't be.
Gay Marriage was still a controversial issue. If you were in a same-sex relationship, then it was more likely than not you couldn't get married. And without body cameras on cops, the way black people are treated by them was going unchecked. The LGBTQIA Community is also more accepted today than 20 years ago. I feel comfortable about saying I'm not straight, I'm somewhere in-between, whereas I never would've said so back then.
Now a gay person can look forward to getting married if they so desire. If a black person is murdered (yes murdered) by a cop, we're more likely to know about it now and there's outrage. As there should be. Outrage that begins to lead to reform. If you smoke pot, you don't have to worry about getting arrested. If you're Middle Eastern you don't have to be as worried about someone thinking you're a Terrorist.
And, as horrible as Trump is, at least he's no longer in power and has fully exposed the true colors of a lot of the people who support him. We didn't truly know as much before, and to the same extent. We were still somewhat in a state of ignorance about that.
No. I'm sorry. The 2000s were a lot worse than the 2020s. Today, the two main problems are Covid and the Alt-Right. And Covid has, for the most part, died down. There's also a third problem with people who won't take action against injustice and who won't move towards progress, but we'll always have those, it's just a matter of how many of them.
As far as DSC, the show has changed a LOT since the first three episodes of DSC. A LOT. Let me say that again: A LOT. The series as it is right now is NOTHING like the series you stopped watching three episodes in. If anything, there are some old-school DSC fans who've complained about S4 being nothing like S1. And I'm not talking about the show having jumped 930 years into The Future. They don't like the slow pace, people talking about their feelings, everyone getting along, the show having become such an LGBTQIA haven, etc. I can't say more without getting into spoilers. But I like both versions of DSC for different reasons.
Here's a thread right here where we're debating Seasons 1-2 versus Seasons 3-4. Look for yourself.
EDIT: Note to Mod, sorry about the Soapbox. I'll get off it now. I just wanted to say why I think now is better than then. @Lynx just touched on things I feel very strongly about. And Lynx, I think we just have very different perspectives, top-to-bottom. If we disagree, maybe we can agree to disagree.
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