Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x07 - "Monsters"

[Sci]

The dream sequence!!!! That was total non sequitur

No, it made perfect sense. You just refused to engage with the material.

and we've gone from not damaging time to bringing the doctor AND her kid to the starship to maximize it.

Yes, the evolution of Rios's thinking about the Temporal Prime Directive is part of the point. This is not an inconsistency on the part of the narrative.

Agree with the contrivances that make up this show just to convey a divisive message as per Hollywood's norm -- attempting to break down honest communications between classic liberals (my side) and new progressive liberals (moderate left today) to honestly debate the manner to achieve what are generally common goals by thrusting wedge edge-case issues...

What on Earth are you talking about?

whereas STD pulls the alien destructive wave is actually a "wall" silliness

There was no wave in DIS S4. Perhaps you are thinking of the Dark Matter Anomaly, a spherical gravitational anomaly created by the aliens known as Species Ten-C.

The Ten-C's use of the DMA to power the hyperfield around their star system was not prompted by concerns about immigration but rather about concerns related to catastrophic natural disasters. So to say this is a comment about Donald Trump's proposed "Border Wall" doesn't really make much sense; the analogy falls apart.

and trot out a CGI-slimmed Stacey Abrahams,

Her name is Stacey Abrams, not "Abrahams." She was not artificially slimmed by CGI, and the assertion that she was is ridiculous. Frankly, I don't think you would not make up such a silly claim about an overweight man, so I can only reasonably conclude you're being misogynistic.

this show couldn't settle for metaphors and had to depict actual nazi rapey-minded white dudes all over the place especially in border patrol...

ICE is a different agency from Customs and Border Patrol, and their abuses have been well-documented.

never mind the majority of border patrol officers are Hispanic

There are always some people willing to betray their communities for the benefits of serving the oppressors.

Because they don't want us discussing work visas, quotas, and unemployment issues in US versus benefit of increasing workforce like normal, rational human beings

Conspiratorial hogwash. Star Trek: Picard isn't interested in the technocratic babble because it has nothing to do with violations of fundamental human rights that are occurring in real life and which the show is against.

They want us to import endless waves of people without patriotic identity that will vote for free stuff (hopefully more than once where we can block racist ID laws) giving them endless power.

"Scary brown people who aren't loyal to us coming to take away our wealth" is a classic trope of white supremacy.

The worst part is, I mostly travel / live part time in Colombia, and more often than not friends cannot visit me because the visa quotas are eaten up by the bodies the cartel is shoving across the border (after raping almost every woman and loading up as many as they can with fentanol balloons).

"The scary brown people are violent criminals" is also a classic trope of white supremacy.

 

[Dukhat]

We have never had a ST series focus on one character. I do not understand how people compare this to other series.

The dream sequence!!!! That was total non sequitur and went on... and on... and on... and we've gone from not damaging time to bringing the doctor AND her kid to the starship to maximize it. The queen plot has promise, but it's just screaming and singing.


Agree with the contrivances that make up this show just to convey a divisive message as per Hollywood's norm -- attempting to break down honest communications between classic liberals (my side) and new progressive liberals (moderate left today) to honestly debate the manner to achieve what are generally common goals by thrusting wedge edge-case issues... whereas STD pulls the alien destructive wave is actually a "wall" silliness and trot out a CGI-slimmed Stacey Abrahams, this show couldn't settle for metaphors and had to depict actual nazi rapey-minded white dudes all over the place especially in border patrol... never mind the majority of border patrol officers are Hispanic -- at least here in Texas.

Because they don't want us discussing work visas, quotas, and unemployment issues in US versus benefit of increasing workforce like normal, rational human beings -- They want us to import endless waves of people without patriotic identity that will vote for free stuff (hopefully more than once where we can block racist ID laws) giving them endless power. The worst part is, I mostly travel / live part time in Colombia, and more often than not friends cannot visit me because the visa quotas are eaten up by the bodies the cartel is shoving across the border (after raping almost every woman and loading up as many as they can with fentanol balloons).



$10000 per director times 40 = 4 million down the drain. That is a lot of money being wasted.

I see now. When you said 'Farewell Star Trek,' you didn't mean that you were going to stop watching the show. What you actually meant was that you are going to continue watching a show that you profess to hate so much, and nitpick it to death because you apparently have nothing better to do with your time. Gotcha.

 

[Lord Garth]

There was no wave in DIS S4. Perhaps you are thinking of the Dark Matter Anomaly, a spherical gravitational anomaly created by the aliens known as Species Ten-C.

The Ten-C's use of the DMA to power the hyperfield around their star system was not prompted by concerns about immigration but rather about concerns related to catastrophic natural disasters. So to say this is a comment about Donald Trump's proposed "Border Wall" doesn't really make much sense; the analogy falls apart.

Come on. You know he wasn't really paying attention.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Agree with the contrivances that make up this show just to convey a divisive message as per Hollywood's norm -- attempting to break down honest communications between classic liberals (my side) and new progressive liberals (moderate left today) to honestly debate the manner to achieve what are generally common goals by thrusting wedge edge-case issues... whereas STD pulls the alien destructive wave is actually a "wall" silliness and trot out a CGI-slimmed Stacey Abrahams, this show couldn't settle for metaphors and had to depict actual nazi rapey-minded white dudes all over the place especially in border patrol... never mind the majority of border patrol officers are Hispanic -- at least here in Texas.

Because they don't want us discussing work visas, quotas, and unemployment issues in US versus benefit of increasing workforce like normal, rational human beings -- They want us to import endless waves of people without patriotic identity that will vote for free stuff (hopefully more than once where we can block racist ID laws) giving them endless power. The worst part is, I mostly travel / live part time in Colombia, and more often than not friends cannot visit me because the visa quotas are eaten up by the bodies the cartel is shoving across the border (after raping almost every woman and loading up as many as they can with fentanol balloons).

If there's a place for this crap, it's the episode 2x04 thread, where ICE and immigration were being hotly debated. Let's keep it out of this thread.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If there's a place for this crap, it's the episode 2x04 thread, where ICE and immigration were being hotly debated. Let's keep it out of this thread.

I agree about the ICEWAR, but frankly in my head I can't really see the lines between a lot of these of these episodes. Since they arrived in the past it's just been one very long installment.

 

[plynch]

I thought it was ok. Not the best episode, but not the worst either.
I doubt that a quick cameo “promoted” anything.

Doubt no longer.
I didn’t know it was she. Didn’t know she did music. Now I do. Will check her out. If it was her composition she gets sync rights (big CBS bucks for which she has no need thanks to being married to a movie star). So yes, it literally promoted her.

 

[FreeThinker79]

I cannot begin to describe the fundamental immaturity of interpreting a creative decision made ...

spare me your judgement, I just found it insulting how the series writers tries to come up with a contrived method of calling a Q which seemed like it belonged to a poldergeist movie rather than StarTrek episode, breaking all immersion.

 

[cooleddie74]

This is Star Trek. Vulcans can maintain psychic connections and appear in the minds of people light-years away.

Science and Star Trek stopped being good friends a LONG time ago.

 

[fireproof78]

spare me your judgement, I just found it insulting how the series writers tries to come up with a contrived method of calling a Q which seemed like it belonged to a poldergeist movie rather than StarTrek episode, breaking all immersion.

That doesn't make it a troll on fans. Immersion breaking happens.

 

[cooleddie74]

This is a franchise where aliens pretend to be deities and the laws of physics are frequently bent if not broken and some people are worried about how an El-Aurian calls out to a Q? This is a franchise where most aliens look humanoid and speak the English language. "Realism" isn't really its strong suit.

 

[Gov Kodos]

spare me your judgement, I just found it insulting how the series writers tries to come up with a contrived method of calling a Q which seemed like it belonged to a poldergeist movie rather than StarTrek episode, breaking all immersion.

Horny Ghost lanterns, Orbs of Contemplation, Time Travel Donuts, so many others. Magic Bottle of Q summoning is par for the course for Star Trek. You're opinion deserves judgement for the obvious bias evinced.

 

[cooleddie74]

A recent movie had Vulcans capable of creating planet-destroying black holes with red blobs of liquid stored in a canister. At this point summoning a Q with a ceremonial bottle is no more or no less "real."

 

[fireproof78]

TNG had a character state thought was the basis of reality.

 

[brandnewfan]

A recent movie had Vulcans capable of creating planet-destroying black holes with red blobs of liquid stored in a canister. At this point summoning a Q with a ceremonial bottle is no more or no less "real."

None of it's "real" and almost everything in the entire franchise is unbelievable.

But not all of it's stupid.

A lot of the stuff this season (after they arrived in 2024) has just been really stupid.

 

[gweeps]

A recent movie had Vulcans capable of creating planet-destroying black holes with red blobs of liquid stored in a canister. At this point summoning a Q with a ceremonial bottle is no more or no less "real."

It's lame exposition. Retconny nonsense. The scream was so laughable. Hell, if they'd bowed their heads, closed their eyes, held hands and then opened the bottle together I would have believed that more.

 

[Gov Kodos]

None of it's "real" and almost everything in the entire franchise is unbelievable.

But not all of it's stupid.

A lot of the stuff this season (after they arrived in 2024) has just been really stupid.

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[FreeThinker79]

This is a franchise where aliens pretend to be deities and the laws of physics are frequently bent if not broken and some people are worried about how an El-Aurian calls out to a Q? This is a franchise where most aliens look humanoid and speak the English language. "Realism" isn't really its strong suit.

I'm ok with the El-Aurian beeing able to call Q, which I find baffling is that it requires a a unique bottle which just happens to be in arm reach like she was expecting she had to use it one day.

 

[Dukhat]

spare me your judgement…

This coming from someone who just judged another member of acting like a religious zealot.

 

[brandnewfan]

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Let's go take a trip inside my mind to investigate the root cause of my opinions. You'll be able to move around freely in my thoughts, though you might encounter a scary clown or something.
Oh, and I'm from the future. Here's some tech that you shouldn't know about, and I'm gonna hand it over to you because "I trust you" to be able to operate it correctly and low and behold you can.
And by the way, you look EXACTLY like someone I know from my time period. Must be a relative because as we all know, everyone has a distant relative who looks EXACTLY the same as their future grandchildren or whatever.
Meanwhile, if you rub this bottle hard enough a genie will pop out....

I know we all can't like the same things, and we all have opinions. Mine is that this episode was the worst of the entire Picard series so far.

 

[FreeThinker79]

It's lame exposition. Retconny nonsense. The scream was so laughable. Hell, if they'd bowed their heads, closed their eyes, held hands and then opened the bottle together I would have believed that more.

Indeed, why did she have to screem like a banchee which poped a few bottles, why didn't the FBI agent that came a few seconds later mentioned it