DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Backhanded payoff from Miller or WB? I dunno.
Really, I don't see the issue here...Russell Crowe has a history of violent outbursts and nothing ever happened to HIS career.
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Everyone is too afraid of him to do anything.
If you're talking about @Saul 's post, he's talking about the character, not the actor. Ezra Miller should be referred to as they, but Barry Allen is, untill we are told otherwise, he. If there was a different post you're talking about, I missed it and you are ofcourse right in your comment.
I'd be fine with that (though I doubt it will be necessary). Even when I've been disappointed with the show, I like Grant as Flash.
"All his life, he has had a strange attraction to the water and yearns to escape his desert surroundings for the ocean."
Gee, I feel like that every summer.
I'm not familiar with Jake Hyde, but I love Kaldur’ahm on Young Justice.
Guys they're gonna restore the Snyderverse
Probably.
Maybe.
...likely not. But another new direction is coming.
Probably.
Maybe.
...likely not. But another new direction is coming.
There are far too many mergers happening these days, but the idea of putting all the DC stuff under a single guiding creative head like Kevin Feige is promising. Although wasn't that supposed to be Geoff Johns's role already?
Last week was a purge and restructing of Warner Bros management roles after the Discovery/Warner Merge
https://deadline.com/2022/04/warner...m-cummings-cfo-jennifer-biry-more-1234995710/
It's embarrassing that Superman has fallen back so far/out of favor. We may have a Superman TV series but the main draw is movies. Superman was the first big superhero movie( aside from Batman 66 movie) to hit cinemas and now look at where its at.
No direction indeed
Warner/Discovery's first upfront is May 18th
https://deadline.com/2022/04/warner-bros-discovery-upfront-1235000210/
https://deadline.com/2022/04/warner...m-cummings-cfo-jennifer-biry-more-1234995710/
It's embarrassing that Superman has fallen back so far/out of favor. We may have a Superman TV series but the main draw is movies. Superman was the first big superhero movie( aside from Batman 66 movie) to hit cinemas and now look at where its at.
No direction indeed
Warner/Discovery's first upfront is May 18th
https://deadline.com/2022/04/warner-bros-discovery-upfront-1235000210/
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https://variety.com/2022/film/news/dc-warner-bros-discovery-zaslav-hbo-max-1235232185/
In Superman, Warner has one of the most recognizable and enduring IPs on the planet at its disposal, but on the cinema side, it has done nothing but step on its corporate dick with him for decades.
Look, I know some folks like Man of Steel. I happen to like Superman Returns pretty well. But the fact is that neither of those films -- nor, indeed, any Superman film since 19-freakin'-80 -- has been the kind of massive popular and financial success that the character deserves.
Will Discovery actually manage to change that? Time will tell. But recognizing that there's a problem and resolving to address it is a good first step.
Discovery believes correctly.
In Superman, Warner has one of the most recognizable and enduring IPs on the planet at its disposal, but on the cinema side, it has done nothing but step on its corporate dick with him for decades.
Look, I know some folks like Man of Steel. I happen to like Superman Returns pretty well. But the fact is that neither of those films -- nor, indeed, any Superman film since 19-freakin'-80 -- has been the kind of massive popular and financial success that the character deserves.
Will Discovery actually manage to change that? Time will tell. But recognizing that there's a problem and resolving to address it is a good first step.
Admittedly, there's only been one truly great Superman film and that's the original. But really, what they've been doing to him the last 9 years is just...annoying.
Here's hoping this purge got rid of a lot of the buffoons who'd been mismanaging WB all these years.
One thing I've never figured out is why people complain about Snyder having Superman kill Zod but nobody complains about Donner (as those were his scenes in Superman II) having him kill Zod, Non and Ursa and leave Lex Luthor to freeze to death?
Oh and then he tops it off by having the noble and heroic Superman beat the shit out of a guy who has no way of fighting back. (Something that would have been even worse in Donner's original plan for the movies where his first scenes wouldn't have happened due to time being turned back.)
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It's because the Donner movies never played anything really straight, except when Jonathan and Lois died in the first movie. Everything was semi-campy and cartoonish/fairytale-like (especially campy when Hackman showed up) and that bit where he tosses Zod down the cavern is played off as slapstick cartoon style. Like Loony Tunes. Meaning Zod and Co aren't "Dead" in that sense.
MoS however plays everything super serious and super-straight, so you can't dismiss Zod's death as slapstick.
Yeah, that's another reason I didn't like Superman 2. Along with him giving up his powers for Lois and then violating her mind at the end.
For some odd reason it's VERY VERY hard to write and visualize Superman in the movies
TV seems to be a good spot to flesh out Superman. Superman and Lois has the best representation of Superman right now
Yet for the past 40 years Superman in movies has been mismanaged
Superman in the 90's- There's a documentary that goes into this. It's a mess
Superman in the early- 00's They try to copy Donner's style and it wasn't successful
Superman in 2013- Go hard on the religious symbolism. Superman smash! To make up for no fighting in Superman Returns they dial it to 11 (destruction porn)
Superman's had a great run on TV. Every single one of the live-action TV series have been multi-season successes and loads of fun to watch.
Notably, they just let Superman be Superman, instead of approaching him as a problem that has to be solved. They find their creativity and originality in fitting him into different genres and modes of storytelling (romantic comedy, teen soap, family drama).
The movie side, based on zero evidence, has convinced itself that the character is the problem, and not how he's handled.
Notably, they just let Superman be Superman, instead of approaching him as a problem that has to be solved. They find their creativity and originality in fitting him into different genres and modes of storytelling (romantic comedy, teen soap, family drama).
The movie side, based on zero evidence, has convinced itself that the character is the problem, and not how he's handled.
I'd say that Smallville is the exception to that. It was conceived to be an reinvention of the character for audiences that would never watch a superhero show (since it debuted before superheroes became respectable to the mainstream). For the first seven seasons, even as it eventually worked in more comics elements, Smallville was a show about Clark Kent trying his hardest not to be Superman, to resist his destiny to become a hero. And then the new showrunners in season 8 finally pulled him out of that rut and let him choose to pursue that destiny, but the show still seemed embarrassed by the idea of Superman and avoided letting Clark adopt the persona even after it had become a full-on Superman show in every other respect.
For that matter, I'm not sure it applies to Lois & Clark season 1 either. As the title indicates, that season focused far more on Clark and generally downplayed Superman, to the extent that sometimes the cape only showed up for one brief scene in an entire episode. And it poked fun at the tropes of the character, though in a gentle way. It was definitely an attempt to make Superman "work" for a modern audience, though it drew heavily on how John Byrne had reinvented him in the post-Crisis comics.
Because he didn't? Lester's version has them drop into a mysterious abyss but every one who has seen the full Donner cut knows they get carted off by the authorities (that's in the version we got: originally they'd be returned to the phantom zone when the time reversal gimmick was planned for 2). As for leaving Luthor to freeze...I don't even know where you're getting that. He obviously is leaving with Luthor and Lois, and Luthor shows up in 4.
To be fair, that was more Bryan Singer's fault. He's repeatedly made it clear he just doesn't get or like Superhero stuff, and that includes Superman. He IS a big Richard Donner fan though, so him making "Superman Returns" was more because he wanted to do a homage to Donner more than tell a good Superman story.
That's not in the Donner Cut, only in the ABC-TV version, which put back 17 minutes of deleted footage to stretch it out for a 3-hour time slot with commercials (same thing that was done for the ABC "Special Longer Version" of Star Trek: The Motion Picture). It's on the Donner Cut DVD, but only as a deleted scene.
I was referring to @Dick Whitman's post, I forgot to quote it.