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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

The advantage with The Flash is that there are enough different characters who've used name over the years, that all they have to do is start a potential sequel with quick scene that takes Barry Allen out of play, which they could shoot without ever showing his face, and then have Wally West or one of the others take over. That way they can get rid of Miller, without recasting or rebooting.

I have nothing against recasting in principle; it was done with Batman in the '90s movies, and it's worked for Marvel with Bruce Banner, Jim Rhodes, and others. And of course you can go back further to film series like James Bond, Tarzan, etc. But in this case, replacing Barry with Wally seems like a good idea. Wally was the Flash for a pretty long time in the comics, and pretty much every live-action version of Barry has borrowed elements of Wally's characterization anyway. So it would be good to give Wally his due onscreen.
 
How many peoples heads would explode if Grant Gustin became movie Wally West?

I always sort of wished that he had been Wally and his show had been a sequel to the 1990 The Flash, with John Wesley Shipp as Barry rather than Henry Allen. But they ended up coming somewhat close to that, with Shipp playing Jay Garrick and then reprising Barry-90 in Elseworlds and Crisis.

So yeah, if the Barry Allen of one universe could be a doppelganger for his own father in another universe and Jay Garrick in at least two others (pre-Crisis Earth-3 and post-Crisis Earth-2, not to mention Earth-Prime), then there's no reason Barry-Prime couldn't be a doppelganger for DCEU Wally. It's all just echoes in the Speed Force, man...
 
I kind of feel sorry for the people involved with the Fantastic Beasts movies, they've just had non-stop bad press with the people involved. First with Miller the first time, then Johnny Depp, then JK Rowling, and now Miller again.

At this point, even the most egotistical and stubborn studio exec can be forgiven for breaking down and crying. :wah:
 
It's unfortunate. I don't like Ezra Miller off screen but I do like his version of the Flash. He brings sorely needed humor to the DC Universe. I think he'll be given a warning and told to sort himself out.
 
He has so much charisma. Such a shame he's unable to keep it together. I'm kinda suspecting The Flash to be an utter disaster, but at this point I guess it would only be fitting.
 
It's unfortunate. I don't like Ezra Miller off screen but I do like his version of the Flash. He brings sorely needed humor to the DC Universe. I think he'll be given a warning and told to sort himself out.


I just feel like the Whedon version threw me off and it looked like DC just wanted their own Peter Parker

Does the Synder Cut amend any of Barry's personality? Does it make the humor and awkwardness not feel forced?
 
I just feel like the Whedon version threw me off and it looked like DC just wanted their own Peter Parker

Does the Synder Cut amend any of Barry's personality? Does it make the humor and awkwardness not feel forced?

Most of Barry's scenes in the theatrical cut were filmed by Snyder. The Whedon cut deletes Barry's introductory scene, but otherwise makes minor changes to his material, though I think some of the scenes that include the entire group are replaced. Here's a comparison:

https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/zack-snyder-justice-league-vs-whedon-cut-differences/
Interestingly, the Flash is both the least developed of the superheroes in the Snyder Cut and also the most unchanged by Whedon. It appears that Ezra Miller’s seemingly improvised humor was the element of least importance to Snyder, and the most useful thing Snyder filmed for Whedon’s purposes.

Maybe that’s why the Flash’s first scene in the Snyder Cut does not occur until nearly 70 minutes into the film. It’s also a wholly different introduction scene to what we saw in the theatrical cut. In the restored sequence, Barry Allen is applying for a job as a dog groomer at a pet shop when the unnamed woman who just left—or as fans know her, Iris West (Kiersey Clemons)—is almost pancaked by a semi-truck. The driver, in a rather crude cliché, is a simpleton reaching for his food on the cab’s floor when he slams into Iris’ convertible.

Luckily, Barry sees it coming and slows things down for another somber needle drop on the soundtrack. The whole thing plays like a more wistful, alternative rock version to one of Quicksilver’s big scenes in the X-Men movies. In extreme slow-motion, Barry catches a hot dog from an exploding hot dog vendor, placing it in his pocket, and then catches Iris out of her shattered car. When time returns to normal, Iris realizes she was saved by this cute dork, who then rushes back in time for the pet shop owner to be unsure who broke her window in the blink of an eye. Barry’s feeding the hot dog to her canines.

Otherwise, by and large, the Flash’s scenes remain the same until near the end. Snyder has removed Whedon’s unfunny addition of Barry drawing glasses on the eyes of someone in line while waiting to see his dad at prison, but the Miller/Billy Crudup scene remains the same but longer. Bruce Wayne still breaks into Barry’s loft and tells Barry his superpower is that “I’m rich.”

In the Striker Island action sequence, rather than “save one,” the Flash leads an exodus of civilians to the surface. And when debris nearly falls on them, he creates a shield by running so fast he looks like lightning in the sky blocking the falling rubble. He also is wounded by a Parademon laser blast so sharp it leaves him bleeding from the side of his leg, temporarily hobbled.

The one significant change before the climax is Barry and Victor digging up Clark Kent’s grave. It’s a sincerely quiet moment that (Wonder Woman leering aside) is refreshingly earnest and hushed for a superhero movie.

“I could do this in a second,” Barry says. Victor responds, “Yeah.” The implication is they should take their time and give Superman the honor he deserves. After his body is exhumed and wrapped up, Barry says, “He was my hero.”
 
I just feel like the Whedon version threw me off and it looked like DC just wanted their own Peter Parker

Does the Synder Cut amend any of Barry's personality? Does it make the humor and awkwardness not feel forced?
In the Whedon cut he feels like a buffoon who doesn't know what he's doing and screws things up. In the Snyder cut he actually feels competent. He is funny but not idiotic with how he handles himself. No accidentally falling on top of Wonder Woman etc.
 
I will believe it when I see it. Which applies to every alternate aspect of this story, rumor, whatever.

Many actors have done far worse than Ezra Miller and career’s have not been affected at all. That is not an endorsement or condoning of any of his behavior.

I have never heard of Rolling Stone having exclusives on the film business. Which makes their story seem questionable. Plus it all plays way too theatrical. Like it was designed to get attention. I would think these types of discussions would be done in phone calls and emails. Not a big dramatic meeting! Dum, Dum, Dum. DRAMA!!!
 
Yeah, even with the trouble Miller is in now, DC is more likely to just wait and see if the bad image sticks and then release it later. Maybe even skip the individual issues and just release it as an Original Graphic Novel in June '23.
 
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