These days, it's pretty tough to keep things a secret for these types of things.
Ask Andrew Garfield about that. And he tried.
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These days, it's pretty tough to keep things a secret for these types of things.
Ask Andrew Garfield about that. And he tried.
Faulty logic. Because thing (A) is true does not mean things (B-Z) are true.
Plus the NWH spoilers came with photos and video.
I think it's more of "Because thing (A) through (Y) are true, it's a pretty good bet thing (Z) is true".
I can't remember the last time I read about a rumour that didn't end up on the screen. But of course, this is all about what I've anecdotally remembered, so it's not something that can be proven until release.
But at this point in the filming process, real leaks and plot points are going to get out. It's inevitable.
Definitely sounds like Ezra Miller has some issues they might need help with.
As for the stuff supposedly from the test screening, most of it sounds pretty plausible, but I'm not sure if I believe it 100%.
As for the stuff supposedly from the test screening, most of it sounds pretty plausible, but I'm not sure if I believe it 100%.
I'm pretty sure there have been quite a few over the years, but I can't think of any offhand. I think this is the kind of thing where we tend to remember the stuff that comes true, and forget about the stuff that doesn't.
Norman Osbourne was supposedly going to be in Far From Home. Mephisto in WandaVision. Pedro Pascal's role in WW84 was rumored to be Hades. The Suicide Squad had a ridiculously long list of characters rumored to appear, most of which didn't. Pretty much every time one of these movies is announced, people start spreading rumors about some famous person or other being cast in one of the major roles which then get forgotten as soon as the actual cast is announced. Etc, etc.
I remember back in the day (2014) the 'surest' rumour was that Age of Ultron ended up with Hulk going out of control and being last-ditch fired into space, Planet Hulk was in Phase 3 and World War Hulk was Avengers 3.
But common sense with the Universal deal meant this was literally impossible to happen.
I think a lot of the big differences here is the difference between rumours and vocal fan desires. Like the Mephisto thing. Fans just want their next big bad like Thanos and to them, it seems it's either Galactus or Mephisto. So those are less rumour and just fans being dumb. To me, at least.
Except you can't really prove whether a rumor is a 'real' rumor or not.
True. As I said, common sense has to step in somewhere with at least some of them.
I mean, sure, there are times when you look at a rumor and immediately can tell its almost certainly bs. I remember during the brief Marvel/Sony split when people were claiming a new deal had been worked out between the companies and one of its stipulations was that 'Peter would be best friends with Johnny Storm'. As if the *lawyers* are seriously going to be making creative decisions.
But a lot of the rumors that could be driven by fans are not necessarily crazy. Mephisto wasn't a thing in WandaVision, but it wouldn't have been shocking if it were actually true.
And there are lots of rumors which sound fairly normal, but still aren't true. Pedro Pascal being Hades wouldn't have been strange. Norman Osbourne being introduced in Far From Home wouldn't have been strange. But they still didn't happen.
Plus on the other side of things, it is true that reality sometimes surprises you. I don't recall if there were any significant rumors about Marvel and Sony actually partnering up before it was announced. But if there had been, I'd have filed that immediately in the crazy files. And yet it did happen.
Maybe looking backwards it's easy to feel like the rumors are simple to divide between 'credible' and 'fanwank', and that its only the fanwank ones that don't come true, but that really isn't the case.
You’re thinking in 2022 terms.
In 2014, we were only 2 films into Phase 2 and every head in Hollywood had been turned by The Avengers takings. It didn’t sound unreasonable that Universal would team up with Marvel Studios for a second time for a follow up to The Avengers as it stood a good chance of achieving a better return than the Ed Norton MCU Hulk film.
I mean obviously it was BS but Universal had already collaborated. A solo Hulk film deal then (pre-Sony email leak) seemed not unreasonable. And the Hulk going beserk part of the rumour leaned on the Hulkbuster concept art leak.
I think a well informed person knew this wasn't happening as every interview with everyone always brought up the legal trouble of doing it and how they had to work around the deals to get what they wanted done. Ruffalo would joke often that Universal didn't want to make money and flat out say it could never happen, but they had great plans for the character, regardless. It was pretty black and white, especially before the miracle of the Sony/Disney deal.
I mean, it’s an 8 year old BS rumour based on precedent (Universal worked with Marvel already) and leaked concept art, but referring jokes Ruffalo made which post date the rumour by three years is exactly what I meant when I said you’re thinking in 2022 terms, not what seemed half-way possible and not entirely implausible in 2014
https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/ezra-miller-arrest-warner-dc-meeting-1331156/
Good thing they can just wipe everything clean with Flashpoint if they want and start over. It's like the Snyderverse is cursed or something.
Good thing they can just wipe everything clean with Flashpoint if they want and start over. It's like the Snyderverse is cursed or something.
Well, they'll still want to do another Wonder Woman with Gadot, and Momoa's Aquaman (second movie of that one already on the way), plus James Gunn's DCEU projects for HBO-Max, so I don't think they'll start over from scratch.
I mean, starting over from scratch is the traditional option, without the need for a movie setting it up.
I mean, starting over from scratch is the traditional option, without the need for a movie setting it up.
Academy- Emergency meeting to talk about Will Smith
WB- Emergency meeting to talk about Ezra Miller
What a rollercoaster of a ride for Hollywood execs and PR people these past few weeks
WB- Emergency meeting to talk about Ezra Miller
What a rollercoaster of a ride for Hollywood execs and PR people these past few weeks
I kind of feel sorry for the people involved with the Fantastic Beasts movies, they've just had non-stop bad press with the people involved. First with Miller the first time, then Johnny Depp, then JK Rowling, and now Miller again.
The advantage with The Flash is that there are enough different characters who've used name over the years, that all they have to do is start a potential sequel with quick scene that takes Barry Allen out of play, which they could shoot without ever showing his face, and then have Wally West or one of the others take over. That way they can get rid of Miller, without recasting or rebooting.
The advantage with The Flash is that there are enough different characters who've used name over the years, that all they have to do is start a potential sequel with quick scene that takes Barry Allen out of play, which they could shoot without ever showing his face, and then have Wally West or one of the others take over. That way they can get rid of Miller, without recasting or rebooting.