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Opinion on Star Trek: Picard (and modern Trek in general)

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I wouldn't accuse modern Trek of virtual signalling, because I think the writers really do have messages they want to get across. Picard especially feels kind of angry and frustrated, like it's ran out of patience for subtlely and it's just yelling at people about how terrible things are. But I do think that the shows are doing a lot of preaching to the choir and that does get annoying. Plus things like the Gray and Adira plotline in Discovery felt like a message and an attempt at inclusivity without an actual story attached, to the point where they had nothing to do with Gray afterwards.

I'd say that their hearts are in the right place though and I'm not going to complain about Star Trek being more progressive.
 
I wouldn't accuse modern Trek of virtual signalling, because I think the writers really do have messages they want to get across. Picard especially feels kind of angry and frustrated, like it's ran out of patience for subtlely and it's just yelling at people about how terrible things are. But I do think that the shows are doing a lot of preaching to the choir and that does get annoying. Plus things like the Gray and Adira plotline in Discovery felt like a message and an attempt at inclusivity without an actual story attached, to the point where they had nothing to do with Gray afterwards.

I'd say that their hearts are in the right place though and I'm not going to complain about Star Trek being more progressive.
By Picard, do you mean Patrick Stewart?

Grey is one of my favourites, particularly when he found a role Zora's therapist. Which only lasted one episode.
 
Well I meant Star Trek: Picard the series, but yeah Patrick Stewart too.

And I did think that the scenes of Gray and Zora worked well, which surprised me considering how jaded I was getting with all the other scenes of therapy up to that point.
 
You do get warnings for calling non-binary and trans people "degenerates" however, which is what you did.

I never called transpeople degenerates. I called the character of Gray a degenerate (and I fully stand behind my statement). I don't care about his sexual orientation but his demeanor and overall vibe is just completely off-putting to me. The character, to me, is completely sleazy. It's nothing to do with who he sleeps with or what he wishes to dress. I just can't put my finger on it i.e. why is this character so repulsive to me. But he is. So there you go.

I am also not overly impressed by women who shave their heads, deny their feminism and demand to be referred as "they". I've watched two shows so far in which these characters completely ruined it for me, one of which is Discovery and the other show is "The Millions" (the character of Taylor). In "The Millions" the Taylor character pretty much was the main focus (at least up until I stopped watching the show) and it was all about her and her, for example, correcting her own father for calling her "daughter". I mean, what kind of bulls**t was that?

Before they introduced Adira and Grey, I could actually (somewhat, due to the lackluster writing, of course) enjoy watching Discovery. I never gave a second thought on backgrounds of Burnham, Stamets, Culber etc. To me, they were just characters/part of the story.

I know it would be a lot easier for me to board the "I'll eat up anything you serve me" band wagon and completely disengage my critical thinking, but I guess I've chosen the less popular way. It's either, you accept whatever stuff we throw at you or we will simply call you "uninlighted" or "backward" or "biggot".

So if I decided, starting today, to call myself a human cow and demand people to end their sentence with "moo" everytime they directly address me and if they refuse to do so, I guess I have every right to point finger at them and demonize them..or even portray myself as a victim.

It's funny how the person calling for open-mindedness employs the language of the Nazis who would seek to close and snuff out as many differently thinking minds as possible.

If WW2 Nazis were like me, there would be no concentration camps, no wars and no deaths. They would be perhaps irked by characters like Adira and Grey but they certainly wouldn't harm them or wish them ill.

Granting you an open platform to express your horrendous views on our forum would actually contribute to the opposite of open-mindedness by allowing you to find and influence others like you to harm minorities with your bigoted views.

I don't think my views are horrendous or biggoted (but of course, it's my subjective opinion and I may be wrong). And I don't care about "influencing" anyone. But, you, being a moderator of this board (i.e. member with certain powers) throwing names at me (nazi, biggot etc) are actually doing what you accused me of - influencing others against me. Not that I care about it, just saying.

So pardon me if I don't drop right in to an eighteen minute video posted without context by a known bigot.

There you go again.

Trek has always been activist. The activism has been a bit on the nose sometimes (half black/half white face isn't exactly subtle) and it hasn't been nearly on the forefront of activism as it's often held up to be (especially regarding LGBTQ representation, where it has lagged behind), but it's always been there.

I agree that Trek has always been activist but I think this time they went completely overboard with it. At the expense of storyline and overall quality.

If your white fragility can't handle that, there's the door.

If I was a person of color, I am not sure you would call me up on my skin color regardless how strongly you felt against my views.

The way Trek has often been about "hope" is by providing positive examples for people to point to and say there's a place for people like them in the future. Adira and Gray haven't tried to push any agenda on the audience other than to say they are people who exist and deserve to be treated equally to everyone else.

Well, as I said, the whole non-binary concept to me is just..well, ok. I won't go any further into it. But I do understand your point of view. Maybe I'm just being a dinosaur, having a hard time catching up with the modern times...

And please stop telling us how you watched Deep Space Nine like that's some get out of bigotry free card because the captain was black.

Well, I just wanted to point out the fact that I never had issues with Sisko. Or La Forge. Or Stammets. Or Culber. But the characters of Adira and Grey..those two are just simply overly anoying to me to the point I can barely watch Discovery anymore. I could even accept Adira and her theybism but Grey..

But yeah, seeing your signature was certainly Red Flag number two. When I see someone start whining about things being Woke and Virtue Signalling I tune right out, because it's going to be a heap of white victimization bullshit.

This is the second time you referred to my skin color in this thread. I am not saying you are (actually, I'm 100% sure you're not) but that could be somewhat interpreted as..racist. Just saying.
 
I am also not overly impressed by women who shave their heads, deny their feminism and demand to be referred as "they".
and it was all about her and her, for example, correcting her own father for calling her "daughter". I mean, what kind of bulls**t was that?
I could even accept Adira and her theybism
Yes, truly the epitome of acceptance.

People do not owe it to you to conform to your expectations of binary gender stereotypes, and their worth as a human being does not hinge on how "well" they perform their socially assigned gender roles, especially not someone's personal interpretation of them. No, I'm not saying you're not allowed to feel like you do, but you could definitely expect critical replies in an environment where a lot of people disagree with you.

I know it would be a lot easier for me to board the "I'll eat up anything you serve me" band wagon and completely disengage my critical thinking, but I guess I've chosen the less popular way. It's either, you accept whatever stuff we throw at you or we will simply call you "uninlighted" or "backward" or "biggot".
You wouldn't be called a bigot for criticizing Adira or Gray. You'll find a lot of people on this very forum complaining about how they were underutilized with storylines that went nowhere and Adira having a Trill symbiont never played any role in the story after early Season 3. But people would definitely think you are bigoted if you kept misgendering a nonbinary person and kept insisting you're doing so because you claim the right to determine what the identity of another person is and that you know better what they are than they do themselves. I wouldn't start calling you Trevor just because I thought you were giving off Trevor vibes to me, and even if I thought that, it would be rude and disrespectful for me to do so.

So if I decided, starting today, to call myself a human cow and demand people to end their sentence with "moo" everytime they directly address me and if they refuse to do so, I guess I have every right to point finger at them and demonize them..or even portray myself as a victim.
For what it's worth and credit where it's due, you at least had the creativity to use a false equivalence other than the 14 599 286th reiteration of the fucking Apache helicopter (boooooooring), so, kudos? I just can't put my head around in what world, universe or frame of reference does "I intuitively feel like one of the two major categories the human populace is divided into, or somewhere halfway between them, or either one depending on my mood, or neither at all" become equal to "I sexually identify as this random animal, mythical beast or inanimate object that is not even related to humanity at all." It's just that same old "if two men can get married then I'll marry my houseplant" all over again.
 
Men grow their hair long. So what’s the problem with girls shaving their heads?
I especially love how it is presented as an element of women denying their femininity and equivalent to being a nonbinary person.

As if Ilia and her duplicate weren't treated throughout the entirety of TMP as this ethereal, feminine beauty. Or as if the Borg Queen never had any snakelike, seductive charm to her.
 
I especially love how it is presented as an element of women denying their femininity and equivalent to being a nonbinary person.

As if Ilia and her duplicate weren't treated throughout the entirety of TMP as this ethereal, feminine beauty. Or as if the Borg Queen never had any snakelike, seductive charm to her.

The woman I’m married to had a shaved head when I first met her.

The reason? She’s impulsive and tends towards making rash decisions she may later regret.

I mean, she married me of all people so…
 
Who would have guessed posting that video would lead to this?

:shrug:

Oh, wait. Everyone.

I gave it a chance, so as not to be accused of censorship. Stupid me.

Breadfan I have already explained to you the problem of using the term "degenerate" to describe an LGBT character. Why on Earth you thought it was okay to double down on that is beyond me.

In any event, this is done.
 
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