Opinion on Star Trek: Picard (and modern Trek in general)
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If you're not going to outline a single point from the video, or state any specifics of your own, it's basically clickbait. No thanks.
What are your opinions? I'm not wasting my time on a clickbait video.
Clickbait? Did I post a Rick Roll video unrelated to the subject of Star Trek for you to accuse me of clickbaiting?
I agree with everything in the video, what else is there to say? The reason I posted the link is because this person has pretty much eloquently explained his grievances with modern Star Trek.
I don't have anything else to add to what he said.
I agree with everything in the video, what else is there to say? The reason I posted the link is because this person has pretty much eloquently explained his grievances with modern Star Trek.
I don't have anything else to add to what he said.
Again with the clickbait accusation..ok., here is my opinion:
Modern Start Trek is ruined by activism and virtue signaling - instead of being focused on quality storylines and in-depth characters. Now, before someone automatically accuses me of being a "radical", I would like to point out that my favorite Star Trek was Deep Space Nine, followed by TNG, then Voyager, ENT etc..Never had issues with those shows..but modern Trek is just lazy writing with the main idea of pushing politics.
Now, sure, Star Trek was, in a way, always about politics but these days, the writers aren't really even trying to make you think about what you've experienced, but rather "programm" you to think along the party line.
Star Trek used to be about hope, an escape of sorts. Now is just a depressive mess of CGI, brainless action and yes, the above referenced activism and virtue signaling.
Ah, you’re one of those folks. Star Trek was always about “activism and virtue signaling”.
I knew I was saving myself some time by skipping the video.
Seeing as how it's in their signature, are we surprised?
Seeing as how it's in their signature, are we surprised?
Honestly? I usually don't look at the signatures. Though I guess I should have in this case.
Seeing as how it's in their signature, are we surprised?
Of course, let's just completelly dismiss my opinion and any discussion on the matter because I'm "one of those guys". What happened to a meaningful discussion on what was actually said in that video? The guy in the video, as me, was a long time Star Trek fan. But, seeing my signature, I can only assume it is beneath you to even consider having a normal conversation on the matter. Even if you strongly disagree with it.
You know, if that's how you feel, that's how you feel. I just wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to change.
From my perspective, Trek now is doing what Trek has always done, they just aren't doing it as well. I've found myself mostly bored by Discovery, the jury is still out on Picard and I love Lower Decks.
The "woke" complaint is just very old and really has no merit in a franchise that has celebrated diversity going back to its inception.
Fair enough & thanks for the meaningful reply.
With due respect to a video I will not watch, no it's not. Star Trek was designed as able to make social commentary from the beginning. It dealt with social issues of the time, bluntly at times, including racism. It was also an action show. That was the framework by which it was developed. For the time it was pretty action oriented.
The rest are nonstarters for discussion since terms like "brainless" and "depressive" assume an emotional state around this material which I do not share. Heck, I can recall feeling more down after "Balance of Terror" than I did with a lot of Discovery or Picard. Does that make TOS depressive?
Star Trek is doing what it always has done: given us social commentary within an action/adventure framework. How successful it is will depend on the fan.
If it's basically the same Star Trek, why do I feel absolutelly nothing after watching Discovery and Picard? It's like going thru a bag of chips with zero nutritional value.
The old shows like DS9, TNG..even the "dreaded" ENT..they all made me think about the storylines..reflect on what I've just seen..but these new shows are just..bland..
Maybe it is you that has changed? Sometimes we just outgrow things.
I definitely agree that Discovery is bland.
And I feel nothing with TNG. It's called investment in characters which varies from person to person and has nothing to do with action or virtue signaling. It's entertainment not moral writ.
Good Lord, what a steaming pile of racist, sexist, man-baby bullshit that video is.
Boo-Hoo. Things change over 60 years. That guy needs to build a bridge and get over it. Find something more productive to do with you life than whining about TV you don’t like.
Allow me to explain. When a poster comes in and immediately starts complaining in the first sentence about potentially being "warned by the open-minded fellas" just for innocently "having a different opinion", that sets off what is called a Red Flag in people's minds, because that's not what you get warnings for.
You do get warnings for calling non-binary and trans people "degenerates" however, which is what you did. It's funny how the person calling for open-mindedness employs the language of the Nazis who would seek to close and snuff out as many differently thinking minds as possible.
Granting you an open platform to express your horrendous views on our forum would actually contribute to the opposite of open-mindedness by allowing you to find and influence others like you to harm minorities with your bigoted views.
So pardon me if I don't drop right in to an eighteen minute video posted without context by a known bigot.
Trek has always been activist. The activism has been a bit on the nose sometimes (half black/half white face isn't exactly subtle) and it hasn't been nearly on the forefront of activism as it's often held up to be (especially regarding LGBTQ representation, where it has lagged behind), but it's always been there. If your white fragility can't handle that, there's the door.
The way Trek has often been about "hope" is by providing positive examples for people to point to and say there's a place for people like them in the future. Adira and Gray haven't tried to push any agenda on the audience other than to say they are people who exist and deserve to be treated equally to everyone else.
And please stop telling us how you watched Deep Space Nine like that's some get out of bigotry free card because the captain was black.
You didn't include any meaningful discussion yourself, you just dropped a video upper decker dump and walked away, so why is everyone else expected to invest eighteen minutes of their time on a video provided by a questionable source with no context and provide the meaningful discussion for you?
But yeah, seeing your signature was certainly Red Flag number two. When I see someone start whining about things being Woke and Virtue Signalling I tune right out, because it's going to be a heap of white victimization bullshit.
ETA: Sorry Digits, I started writing this before your post was up.
That's really a terrible gambit.
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