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Would be interesting to understand how Seven adjusted to returning to the Alpha Quadrant. For instance, after watching several Voyager episodes, I was reminded she had to regenerate quite often. Obviously with her being made completely human by the timeline alteration she can sleep like anybody else now.
 
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It's 16 not "over 30". Alex Kurtzman is again wrong about Star Trek. No big surprise here.


Key Takeaways:

this is not the same Jean-Luc that we all came to know and, some of us, to love.

Yes.
Yes, I noticed.


Jean-Luc Picard is Patrick Stewart, and I am him. There is no separation anymore.

Aha.
 
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How dare Sir Patrick do the same thing he did on TNG, namely steering his character into the direction he thinks is best, only this time without having to beg for it in endless phone calls to Rick Berman. How dare he have some say in what’s happening and talking to the writers of the show (who approached HIM with their ideas, not the other way around, but hey, those pesky details are so pesky). How dare he not pull a Robert Beltran and just not care and simply act what’s being thrown at him while getting a nice paycheck. How dare he actually really care about the fate of the character who changed his entire life and who has been with him for decades now. How dare he say the same thing he said during TNG when it was “I don’t know where Patrick Stewart ends and Jean-Luc Picard begins” (back then it was apparently okay for him to say so but now it’s suddenly sacrilege for some weird reason). The audacity this actor has! :rolleyes:
 
Would be interesting to understand how Seven adjusted to returning to the Alpha Quadrant. For instance, after watching several Voyager episodes, I was reminded she had to regenerate quite often. Obviously with her being made completely human by the timeline alteration she can sleep like anybody else now.

Her body has never been Borg.

The psyche however is used to standing in a regeneration alcove for four hours a day, AWAKE, eyes shut, thinking about almost nothing, and having not attempted to sleep tight since she was 8.

Seriously, if multitasking was allowed, Seven would have been doing it since forever ago.
 
Once upon a time, a poster here tried to get some of us to watch a five-hour negative review of The Last Jedi. Now, I really have no desire to re-litigate TLJ but why in Gods name would anyone want to watch a review twice as long as the movie? Made no sense in the slightest.
Some of these reviews can actually be very interesting, even the negative ones, if they're done by someone who's looking at the material in good faith instead of just getting their knives out. It takes a lot of convincing to actually get me to watch one however, because it's hard to tell which type of criticism you're going to get, and the videos take so long to make that by the time the reviewer's next one is out I've forgotten if I like them or not!
 
WTF?
A showrunner advertises the next episode of his show, not just by announcing a new actor, but also by referring to a previous, and very famous, role of that actor from a very popular and acclaimed SciFi show that was created by a showrunner who was a writer on Star Trek.

Trying to hype up the popularity of our own show by associating it with the popularity and success of a different SciFi show.
Holy S!.

How on earth is that even remarkable? It's bizarre that you think there is some significance to it.

It's nothing compared to Voyager's trailer for Tsunkatse.
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I'd say that's Patrick Stewart getting his years mixed up, not Alex Kurtzman. Stewart has said similar inaccurate things before about dates.

Yeah, I have to agree. :)

He generally keeps saying that 30 years have passed for Jean-Luc since we last saw him in other interviews, too. However, he did START playing Jean-Luc about 35/36 years ago - I think he’s simply confusing ending and beginning (or he’s simply adding up ALL the years in his head that have passed for Jean-Luc and not just those after Nemesis). Add to that the fact that he only learned at the beginning of the whole PIC process that Jean-Luc is actually over a decade older than he himself is (in his first interviews about the show he kept saying that Jean-Luc was his age until someone had the heart to correct him and finally tell him that Jean-Luc is quite a bit older, and now that whole fact has become a big point for him and the way he plays Jean-Luc, so, he DOES care) and you get why he’s a little confused on the details by now. He has also said that Jean-Luc has kept that mysterious mental secret he’s currently exploring “for 50 years”, which would mean he was like 43 or something when he buried his memories and not a kid like we see in his flashbacks. (Jury is still out on this one tho, maybe something’s coming up that we haven’t seen yet.) He’s not a Trekkie, he doesn’t write up timelines and obsesses over them like some of the fans do. And, he IS 81 years old and he has said that he’s forgetting things and that his wife often has to remind him of stuff. It happens when you age. Hell, to me 1995 was ten years ago and my brain refuses to believe otherwise. lol

Saying “30 years” instead of “20 years” (it’s been 20 years now since Nemesis after all) is therefore not really an indicator of him “not caring” or “knowing nothing” or whatever negative spin certain “fans” who love to take apart everything he says and pull things out of context and deliberately misinterpret it so that they can throw dirt at him just because they don’t like his take on what Jean-Luc is like now want to put on this.
 
Some of these reviews can actually be very interesting, even the negative ones, if they're done by someone who's looking at the material in good faith instead of just getting their knives out. It takes a lot of convincing to actually get me to watch one however, because it's hard to tell which type of criticism you're going to get, and the videos take so long to make that by the time the reviewer's next one is out I've forgotten if I like them or not!

That may be so but I personally do not have the time or inclination to watch a five hour opinion piece about a movie half the review’s length. Primarily because, as you suggested, it’s hard to tell whether these reviews are done in good faith without watching them. And while I might be a little more tolerant of YT opinion videos than I was three years ago, I also find myself much busier in real life. So my time for consuming such media is fairly limited. A five hour video is just not feasible for me.
 
I think Ser Pat Stew is thinking 30 years since the end of the show, rounding up from 28. It has a 9 in it and it's 20s now sort of thing. Entirely human thing to do, unless you're in denial of your age
 
What's the chance of Q's magic blue vial being bionmetic gel?

That's what I thought it was, but does he have enough power to conjure up a future medical substance?
 
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With all due respect to Stewart, his memory isn't always the best when it comes to Star Trek, even by his own admission. I remember the story about the time he caught a TNG rerun on TV and had actually completely forgotten filming that particular episode. And no, I don't think he mentioned which episode it was.
I'm genuinely curious about who James Callis will be playing. However, I am boycotting the episode because he is clearly not playing Kor.
"I got that reference."
 
With all due respect to Stewart, his memory isn't always the best when it comes to Star Trek, even by his own admission. I remember the story about the time he caught a TNG rerun on TV and had actually completely forgotten filming that particular episode. And no, I don't think he mentioned which episode it was.

It's true, he doesn't really remember much about TNG's specific episodes - he's more the type who remembers general character traits of Jean-Luc. The PIC writers are the ones with the geeky details and who then write the stories and then discuss the results with him and see what his input is regarding the JLP story parts (hence his Executive Producer title, it has to come from SOMEWHERE). Contrary to popular beliefs in certain "fan circles" tho, the writers aren't shoving empty sheets of paper at him like "please write us a Jean-Luc storyline, only YOU can tell us the way".

And while I do also disagree with some of his Trek movie ideas back then and while I also don't agree with ALL of his takes on Jean-Luc now (although I as someone who has been a massive fan of his for two decades can totally see where he's coming from when he says he's incporating elements from his own life into Jean-Luc's life, trust me, he's approaching this from a VERY loving and self-reflective point of view), I still think it's wise to include him in some parts of the creative process because this is the only way in which this whole thing works and the only way you can get his full cooperation.

I don't think he'd have signed on to do the show if they had told him "we write everything and then we show it to you and then you shut up and act". You CAN'T do that, not when Jean-Luc Picard is involved - Jean-Luc is as much his "baby" as he is Gene Roddenberry's. Sir Patrick was the one who turned Gene's basic idea into a beloved and iconic character, not only through his acting but also through his input behind the scenes. He was used to having Rick Berman's ear back then. He was used to adding aspects of his own life into Jean-Luc's life. At some point during the show's later seasons he literally no longer had to get into character. He just WAS Jean-Luc, and Jean-Luc was him. He was completely immersed. And now PIC is simply no different in any of those regards. I knew this would happen - that he would BECOME Jean-Luc again, I mean - the relationship between Sir Patrick and Jean-Luc is very unique and special, always has been. Hence his words now about there being no real difference anymore between him and Jean-Luc. It makes perfect sense if you look at it from the background I just mentioned. It doesn't come from a point of "ONLY I AM PICARD AND KNOW BEST AND I WILL RUIN IT ALL BECAUSE I CAN MWAHAHAHA" (I've seen that this is now the hateful take on his latest interview from certain Youtubers), it comes from a point of "he has always been with me and now, unlike back then when I tried to get away from him because it scared me how close we had become to being the same person, I am now able to fully embrace him". Letting go of fear of being close to someone... does that sound like a familiar experience Jean-Luc is having as well right now? See? ;)

Sorry, I rambled. A nasty habit I picked up from Jean-Luc. Blame him. :shifty::D

Aside from the hotel room story (the one where he said some hotel dude caught him watching TNG and he worried about the hotel dude thinking how sad he must be that he's watching his own show, lmao) Sir Patrick indeed tweeted once about catching a TNG episode and ending up watching it - in his typical style he then complimented his fellow cast members on a fine piece of work (because that's just how he rolls, he's an ensemble actor, he doesn't shove others out of the spotlight to catch some more for himself). He did mention that he watched "Encounter At Farpoint" recently tho - he said he remembered how terrified he was when they shot his first scenes and how this influenced his performance, which is why Jean-Luc is - seemingly - super cold in the episode. I really enjoyed how he reflected on it. It's a little dream of mine to watch a random TNG episode with him. I think this would be SUPER interesting. :)
 
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"fans" like yourself

Oh, here we go again.
If you're going to quote me - quote the ENTIRE statement which I stand behind:

They'd rather announce it openly than have "fans" like yourself be the first to announce and spin things negatively (which you're already attempting to do with your post I've quoted above.

And argue honestly instead of trying to have people infer what I meant. The full statement I made speaks for itself and some people may agree with it and others won't - but that's the nature of a honest discussion.
 
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