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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x05 - "Fly Me to the Moon"

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But, the genetic wars were mentioned in TOS and now, who knows? Then, The Enterprise and Borg ended up being part of first contact, which set off introducing the Borg earlier.
 
It doesn't seem like they would have been advanced enough to have built a spaceship with cryogenic chambers 30 years prior to this.
 
I mean, I realize it's just scifi, but they've added so much to the history, especially with Discovery that we would almost certainly not be viewing the same universe as TOS.
 
Let's go over a few of these...

Bornin1980something said:
Yeah, I thought he was too quick to deactivate the shield. Mind you, as a lifelong aquaphobe and late swimmer, I was a bit more unnerved by Kore jumping in the deep end on her first swim. Isa Briones certainly did the 'poor swimmer' act very well. I thought she was pretty brave. But not as brave as Lea Thompson, who did some water skiing in Jaws 3D when she couldn't swim!
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truthchampion said:
Ever since watching the first episodes of Lower Decks I have said the same thing about new trek. Lower Decks is good because it knows it's a goofy trek parody and plays into that while STD and Picard are accidental funny trek parodies. I have watched and enjoyed star trek since I accidentally began watching TNG as a kid one night when I couldn't fall asleep after watching Arsenio Hall as was my regular school night routine. That started a habit that i still to this day go to sleep watching star trek 30 years later. I watch STD and Picard. I don't support them by paying for a subscription. Instead of watching for enjoyment I watch to laugh. They are like the Tim Allen trek like movie. Hilarious in how bad of trek parodies they are. It's like a comedy writer who only has heard about trek wrote them. They know character names but that's about it canonically. It's like they saw a few previews or commercials of star trek and made their own canon up from that. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't killing a once great franchise.
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What is the "same thing about new trek" that you're referring to in @Bornin1980something 's post?

Andyliini said:
Wow, they seem to able to keep it up. I forgot to write anything last week, but that was another 9/10, and this one is equal to that.

I have watched every Star Trek series (began in 2015, so no nostalgia), and I have a feeling that this season could be my favorite season of any Star Trek ever made. Of course we are only halfway through the season, and things could go either way, but by this point in season 1, the writing was on the wall, but I have any complaints so far. The season seems to be doing it's own thing while giving the characters time to breath, especially so for Agnes Jurati, such a change from Season 1.

9/10 if it wasn't clear already.
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truthchampion said:
Why did they even warn of the butterfly effect in the earlier episodes when they completely discard the idea later and go on rampages like Rambo all the time? They not only don't bother to research overall canon but also don't keep even the plot of the series itself remotely consistent.

I think the reason we see Laris, Elnor, Soji, Adam Soong etc... instead of new characters is because these actors got a 2 year contract, before season 1 started, and the budget is so low they can't afford new actors so they reuse the ones on contract. By the way, why would Maddox create an android (hundreds of years after the events we are seeing) that is identical to Adam Soong's daughter? Why does Q need him in dealing with Renée Picard? He has her in his office during therapy sessions, he can just go "I want to try something to help you, come over here and look at the sun" and push her off the balcony. Problem solved Since the Borg Queen (sorry, I mean the cheap Scorpious immitation from Farscape) can grab a police officer with a tentacule, why couldn't she grab skinny Jurati when her back was turned?

If she can implant herself with nanites in a human, why didn't she just leave in the Police officer's body and started converting humans to Borgs? Also, why is she helping them at this stage? She comes from the confederation timeline. When this is over, the world she came from won't exists. Does she think they will let her go free 300 years from the time she came from? The Earth wouldn't be safe from Borg assimilation, let alone the rest of this part of the Galaxy. But my favorite stupidity in this episode is this: The Watcher has a huge holographic screen where she can watch and see everything anywhere. Why did she buy a tiny televison set for her appartment?
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@Andyliini 's post had nothing to do with the butterfly effect or time travel mechanics. Why were you using a response to it as a launching point for a completely unrelated topic?

Timofnine said:
Unless the Watchers are needed to stop all of the people that are intent on visiting earth to cause mayhem? Maybe they are part of the Federation/Borg cooperative, a temporal investigation team that work beyond time and space using advanced Borg technologies to not put right what once went wrong, but to stop things going wrong in the first place on Earth and beyond. Anyway, Young Guinan probably wasn’t actually causing mayhem whilst on Earth, she probably just wanted to have a good time and didn’t care about the implications? But what would have happened if she would have left technology on Earth that had not been invented yet? It could have been backwards engineered like almost happened when Quark, Nog and Rom crashed in Roswell? Also, think of Voyager’s Future’s End when alien/future technology was also backwards engineered with dangerous implications too?

This kind of scenario needs protecting against!
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truthchampion said:
My main issues are with Q moments. I don't understand either what he is doing anymore or why? If he wants to sabotage the mission, then push the girl in front of a bus and be done with it. Also, if he lost his powers, how does he do all this stuff that we see in this episode (unless he was preparing well in advance). Why does he need to imitate Freud? Also, how do these sercret romulan-style cameras work that the Laris-woman is using? Are they invisible? There are many issues that I don't see other people picking up on on other videos that to me seem absolutely ridiculous. But now I will watch your video and see if you mention any of these. Oh, apparently, it stays permanently dark in France during April.
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This one's a real doozy. @Timofnine neither posted nor mentioned a video that you promise to watch... :wtf:

And this post was brought to you courtesy of the multi-quote function. (See the + Quote option on the bottom right of the posts that you want to quote.)
 
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Guy Gardener said:
So you're saying that Starfleet considered asking the Xindi Aquatics for help, but decided that it would be more fruitful and faster to time-heist some Earth whales instead?
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They needed Gillian because she had a bond/relationship with the whales as we all know that this species is at least partly sentient, so therefore they had a connection to her. She was also a Xenobiologist in the specialised field of a once extinct species. There would not be many hump back whale specialists in the 23rd century. Xindi aquatics would have been strangers to George and Gracie, and they might not even have gotten on.
 
WarpFactorZ said:
Well, we didn't.
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Voyager Fury.

The one where Kes comes back.

Firstly we see the Prime timeline where season 6 + 5 years Kes is not dead in the hold, and season 6 post The Gift Kes blows up Voyager.

Old Kes travels back in time to season one, gets murdered, and put in the hold.

5 or 6 years later 8 year old Kes arrives to destroy Voyager, and go back in time to rescue herself from Kathryn.

They play old Kes a 7 year old voice mail, so she doesn't destroy season 6 Voyager, doesn't go back in time, is not murdered by season 1 Janeway, does not leave a voice mail, and her cadaver is not stored in the hold.

So?

Where is the prime Time Line?

Obviously when season one Neelix is looking at his future girlfriend who is dead, he's going to think about whether he's taking her final lung, or if he's allowing young Kes to have her own doppellung without being a crybaby about it.

If this time loop has happened enough times. they could have opened Kes' chest and found 15 lungs in there.

Maybe she wasn't senile?

Kes was just drunk from oxygen toxicity.

How sad.
 
Timofnine said:
They needed Gillian because she had a bond/relationship with the whales as we all know that this species is at least partly sentient, so therefore they had a connection to her. She was also a Xenobiologist in the specialised field of a once extinct species. There would not be many hump back whale specialists in the 23rd century. Xindi aquatics would have been strangers to George and Gracie, and they might not even have gotten on.
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You misunderstand me.

I was pretending that you suggested that Starfleet send for an Aquatic Xindi to talk to the probe INSTEAD of going back in time.

If there was one already on Earth, that would have saved a lot of fucking around.
 
Guy Gardener said:
You misunderstand me.

I was pretending that you suggested that Starfleet send for an Aquatic Xindi to talk to the probe INSTEAD of going back in time.

If there was one already on Earth, that would have saved a lot of fucking around.
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That would not have worked, the ‘probe’ was checking on a specific species and got angry when it realised that humanity had wiped hump back whales out. They couldn’t have shoe horned Xindi Aquatics in to the episode as it would have been like putting imposter hump back whale’s in to place to try and trick the probe. This might have led to the probe getting even more angrier as someone was also trying to deceive it as well as making one of it’s ancient species of friends extinct? Maybe the probe was actually a big floating Aquarium anyway and not a probe as we know it; a massive alien starship containing an ocean, full of humpback whales and other space fairing aquatic life? Maybe it was a Xindi Aquatic starship? Would that work in anyone else’s head canon?
 
Guy Gardener said:
You misunderstand me.

I was pretending that you suggested that Starfleet send for an Aquatic Xindi to talk to the probe INSTEAD of going back in time.

If there was one already on Earth, that would have saved a lot of fucking around.
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Can Xindi speak whale ?
I mean there was already dolphins and things on earth if any old sea creature will do.
 
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