Spoilers The Dr. Agnes Jurati Thread

[nic3636]

Speculation at this point but the clues seem to hold:
Picard didn't break Agnes' connection with the BQ quickly enough. She was assimilated, as the episode title suggests, but the transformation is not immediate. It will take time to complete. That said, Agnes is the future Borg (from the Confederation timeline?) who calls for Picard and boards the Stargazer. Hence the mask; seeing her face would have revealed too much too soon.

I agree that Jurati is the future Borg who boarded the Stargazer. They hid her face for a reason, so they could have a reveal later.

But, I don’t think the Borg Queens intentions on the Stargazer were bad. She said she wanted peace but needed power first. But we don’t know why she wants the power, her objective was assumed but not clearly stated. Assuming she just stunned all those crew members instead of killing them she might not be bad.

 

[Lord Exor]

I agree that Jurati is the future Borg who boarded the Stargazer. They hid her face for a reason, so they could have a reveal later.

But, I don’t think the Borg Queens intentions on the Stargazer were bad. She said she wanted peace but needed power first. But we don’t know why she wants the power, her objective was assumed but not clearly stated. Assuming she just stunned all those crew members instead of killing them she might not be bad.

She could have used her words. If we end up with a scenario where the original Borg Queen is replaced/"deposed" and is no longer subsequently replicated, then why would the new Queen be less articulate than the old one?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I hope they worked that in just to piss off all the people who were upset with Raffi calling him "JL".

"JL" is probably the least abrasive nickname Raffi has ever used on anyone.

 

[Nerys Myk]

She could have used her words. If we end up with a scenario where the original Borg Queen is replaced/"deposed" and is no longer subsequently replicated, then why would the new Queen be less articulate than the old one?

Filtering Agnes' chatter takes concentration.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

She's killing it so far this season. So many of her lines make me laugh.

Forget the lines, walking out on the Queen has to be the least expected and also my favourite Star Trek moments to date.

 

[Turtletrekker]

OK, I always figure out how story lines end long before it happens.
Dr. Jurati stole the Borg queen's location of the watcher.
Dr. Jurati speaks of something coming she doesn't yet understand.
I'm betting Dr Jurati becomes the new benevolent Borg queen who wants peace and negotiation. Remember how she was totally covered possibly so no one recognizes her. She also doesn't killl the crew, she stuns them. You heard it here first

If by first, you mean for the thousandth time in this forum alone, then I'm right there with you.

 

[Timofnine]

Too obvious!!!! Really rubbish writers if this prediction comes true!

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Too obvious!!!! Really rubbish writers if this prediction comes true!

Not so much obvious, by this point I would say it's a deliberate suggestion. Both this, and Picard's mum. The latter was put in your head with a musical cue before the words “look up” were spoken by the Queen, and the former has been overtly implied ever since by Jurati being groomed for it and tested for it and holding her own against the Queen, and resisting assimilation like Rey Kylo Ren. Even the musical cue was disclosed to Agnes only. That's a Borg love tale that ends up with the current Queen not winning. If they didn't want us to figure it out, they would have been screaming it from the rooftops.

Protip: If you don't want the viewers to figure Jurati is the Borg Queen, don't have Jurati deliver the Borg Queen's lines.

 

[Tuskin38]

I don't think it's meant to be a surprise.

 

[ThreeEdgedSword]

We really needed a second Jurati thread for this totally fresh take on who might be the BQ.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Filtering Agnes' chatter takes concentration.

And heavy drinking.

 

[Nerys Myk]

We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your alcoholic and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile!

 

[Llywela]

If the audience is able to correctly predict plot twists ahead of time, that's a sign of good writing, rather than bad. It means the writers have successfully laid down clues and foreshadowing that allowed the audience to follow their train of thought to its logical conclusion. That's good, coherent storytelling. A twist that comes out of nowhere for shock effect with no foreshadowing is often done purely to bamboozle the audience, so that the writer can pat himself on the back for cleverness and for tricking everyone, and more often than not is a sign of poor storytelling, because there was nothing within the story itself to build up to that twist, because surprising the audience was more important than coherent storytelling along the way. I know which I'd rather watch.

 

[Timofnine]

If the audience is able to correctly predict plot twists ahead of time, that's a sign of good writing, rather than bad. It means the writers have successfully laid down clues and foreshadowing that allowed the audience to follow their train of thought to its logical conclusion. That's good, coherent storytelling. A twist that comes out of nowhere for shock effect with no foreshadowing is often done purely to bamboozle the audience, so that the writer can pat himself on the back for cleverness and for tricking everyone, and more often than not is a sign of poor storytelling, because there was nothing within the story itself to build up to that twist, because surprising the audience was more important than coherent storytelling along the way. I know which I'd rather watch.

Then why put a mask on the Borg Queen/King to keep us guessing who the Queen will be?

If what you are saying is true, surely they should have revealed Jurati as the Borg Queen in the teaser, and then the story and writing could have focused on the mystery of how she becomes the Borg Queen? This whole Jurati thing is starting to look an awful lot like a false flag to me…. or bad writing choices!

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Yeah, it will be very anti-climactic if it turns out the Borg Queen is the janitor at Dr. Ramirez' clinic.

 

[Timofnine]

Yeah, it will be very anti-climactic if it turns out the Borg Queen is the janitor at Dr. Ramirez' clinic.

Maybe that could be the title for the pilot episode of a new Seven of Nine spin-off series. The Janitor[\b] episode 01x01.

 

[Llywela]

Then why put a mask on the Borg Queen/King to keep us guessing who the Queen will be?

If what you are saying is true, surely they should have revealed Jurati as the Borg Queen in the teaser, and then the story and writing could have focused on the mystery of how she becomes the Borg Queen? This whole Jurati thing is starting to look an awful lot like a false flag to me…. or bad writing choices!

Because having the reveal up front is not the same as presenting it as a mystery and then weaving clues and foreshadowing through the season so that we get to have fun trying to work it out along the way. What you are talking about is not the same as what I am talking about. You said that if we are able to guess that it is (possibly, we still don't know) Agnes under the hood that's a sign of bad writing. I am saying that no, if the accumulation of clues and foreshadowing woven through the season all point to it being Agnes and that turns out to be correct, then it was a sign of good writing that we were able to work it out, whereas having all those clues and foreshadowing pointing to a particular conclusion and then pulling a sharp heel turn to have it be someone else entirely, without any clues or foreshadowing at all, just so the writer can say 'gotcha', that would be a sign of bad writing.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Because having the reveal up front is not the same as presenting it as a mystery and then weaving clues and foreshadowing through the season so that we get to have fun trying to work it out along the way.

Besides, she was masked for the crew as well. Possibly of her own accord, and all but lying to Picard about her identity.

If Jurati knew she was to become the Borg Queen, she wouldn't become the Borg Queen.

 

[SJGardner]

Viewers are really these Goldilocks-like creatures, aren't they? Foreshadowing, clues and whatnot always has to be obvious enough that they don't miss them and criticize the reveal as a plothole introduced for giggles, but also vague enough that they don't deride it as stupid writing that their five-year-old nephew could see coming from a mile away.

"Set it up, Chewie, but don't look like you're tryna set it up!" "Ngyargh yargh?" "Dunno, write casual!"

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, it will be very anti-climactic if it turns out the Borg Queen is the janitor at Dr. Ramirez' clinic.

Nah, the BQ is Dr. Ramirez.