Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Roald]

If Michael Dorn, Gates McFadden and Levar Burton are somehow part of PIC S3, I'll be soooo incredibly happy.... Please don't let PIC be like the SW Sequel Trilogy, where they somehow couldn't manage to create a scene with Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie and the droids in one frame........... We ALL want that TNG reunion right?! If only for a brief moment.....

 

[Danlav05]

If Michael Dorn, Gates McFadden and Levar Burton are somehow part of PIC S3, I'll be soooo incredibly happy.... Please don't let PIC be like the SW Sequel Trilogy, where they somehow couldn't manage to create a scene with Han, Luke, Leia, Chewie and the droids in one frame........... We ALL want that TNG reunion right?! If only for a brief moment.....

Well we know Frakes is about, things were less restricted towards the end of s3 so Marina could have thrown over, and Spiner could be AI Soong. Ciould work!

I know Sir Pat insisted 'not in uniform, not on the Enterprise' when they were working on s1 but if 'The Star Gazer' is anything to go by he's relaxed on these rules?

 

[The Knappos]

I would love to see them all back. Perhaps on the Pasteur? Haha.

This ‘No Enterprise’ stipulation reminds me very much of the ‘No tights, no flights’ thing on Smallville, which made the finale of that show incredibly awkward when it called for Superman’s emergence. I hope that, if Picard does go for a full on bit of everyone back together for one shot it at least does it more smoothly than Smallville did it’s finale bits.

 

[Danlav05]

I would love to see them all back. Perhaps on the Pasteur? Haha.

This ‘No Enterprise’ stipulation reminds me very much of the ‘No tights, no flights’ thing on Smallville, which made the finale of that show incredibly awkward when it called for Superman’s emergence. I hope that, if Picard does go for a full on bit of everyone back together for one shot it at least does it more smoothly than Smallville did it’s finale bits.

Thing is 8-10 were a Superman show... just without showing Superman

Hence 'The Blur'

 

[Campe]

I didn’t realize there was a no Enterprise stipulation. I’m honestly okay with there not being an Enterprise in the series but if it showed up, wouldn’t be the end of the world.

 

[The Knappos]

Thing is 8-10 were a Superman show... just without showing Superman

Hence 'The Blur'

Which was stupid. For Smallville.

With Picard, it actually makes sense where Picard isn’t the captain of the ship anymore, and it’s 30 years later; and assuming the Enterprise is still the flag ship and is on assignment, it’s probably busy and it’s not like Picard and co. have been in a “only ship in the quandrant” situation.

But the Enterprise isn’t really needed but very much would be a brilliant nice to have.

 

[Danlav05]

I didn’t realize there was a no Enterprise stipulation. I’m honestly okay with there not being an Enterprise in the series but if it showed up, wouldn’t be the end of the world.

Even if not the Enterprise-F, it would be cool to add the Odyssey-class to the roster of ships with the others from Online (the officially-not-canon-because its-not-on-screen Picard Countdown comic had it as the USS Verity, Admiral Picard's flagship)

 

[fireproof78]

I didn’t realize there was a no Enterprise stipulation. I’m honestly okay with there not being an Enterprise in the series but if it showed up, wouldn’t be the end of the world.

True and it seems rules are being relaxed.

 

[gweeps]

I'm really interested in the reason for Q's reduced/disrupted powers. Maybe the Supervisor is able to block him?

 

[Precious Tritium]

I'm really interested in the reason for Q's reduced/disrupted powers. Maybe the Supervisor is able to block him?

Not sure why, but I get the impression he’s dying, and all this is just one last hurrah with his favourite person in the whole galaxy.

 

[SJGardner]

He seemed to be quite surprised by his inability to use his powers on the woman at the NASA center.

Could it be that he already knew something was happening to him but something accelerated the process that will force him to seek Picard's help?

 

[gweeps]

Not sure why, but I get the impression he’s dying, and all this is just one last hurrah with his favourite person in the whole galaxy.

If true I sincerely hope we see his son (and Ms. Q!) come to him in the end and take him home.

 

[gweeps]

He seemed to be quite surprised by his inability to use his powers on the woman at the NASA center.

Could it be that he already knew something was happening to him but something accelerated the process that will force him to seek Picard's help?

That scene is one of my favourites from the whole series so far.

It was serendipitous to have her laugh at what she was reading exactly after he snapped his fingers the first time.

Maybe that's the block? With her, he can only affect her in nice ways? Anyway, I'm excited to find out more.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Maybe there are other Q imposing their wills against Q?

 

[Finn]

^Perhaps. It wouldn't be the first time

But I kept have been thinking about one thing...we first see Q AFTER the timeline had changed, and his powers seemed intact though his behavior was off, but not when we see him trying to manipulate Renee Picard.... For Q, which occurred first? I'm not sure either the Supervisor or another Q(s) blocking his powers would explain this...maybe a completely different power/force at play.

 

[SJGardner]

"Acting like normal people" (=being invisible) would be the more generous interpretation. You could also come to the conclusion that, say, GLBQT+ people don't exist after watching TNG or Voyager. (Imagine in a then far-away future, the EMH educates the former drone about love and dating, and it's all about heterosexuality.)

I just remembered it, but this reminds me of how in The Offspring, Guinan was originally supposed to say "when a man and woman are in love", but Whoopi flat-out refused to say it and had it changed to "when two people are in love." Apparently, the crew also wanted to have two men holding hands at a table in the background, but David Livingston personally came down to the set to prevent it.

 

[BillJ]

I just remembered it, but this reminds me of how in The Offspring, Guinan was originally supposed to say "when a man and woman are in love", but Whoopi flat-out refused to say it and had it changed to "when two people are in love." Apparently, the crew also wanted to have two men holding hands at a table in the background, but David Livingston personally came down to the set to prevent it.

I believe that was on the orders of Rick Berman.

 

[Campe]

Shocker.

 

[Mirror Tuvix]

Guinan unleashes on Picard a litany of problems on current-day Earth. This, among other stretches of dialogue, may be technically true but is entirely too heavy-handed. A subtler approach is necessary for this type of sci-fi commentary when it comes from someone who has lived for centuries and seen everything — including the destruction of her own world by the Borg!
This is all wrong coming from Guinan, who should be much more wise and contemplative and willing to see the long-term picture, and not so bitter and despairing and ready to give up. This is supposedly the same person who said, on the eve of the possible destruction of humanity by the Borg, "As long as a handful of you remain to keep the spirit alive, you will prevail." But now they've recast her in a completely different template, and it might as well be a different character. Making Guinan a cynic who serves as a contemporary mouthpiece for the writers is a terrible choice that leads to dialogue that just clangs to the floor. This version of Guinan has an attitude that comes from a far too purely privileged American perspective; after all, there is suffering far worse in the world than the myopic view on showcase here.
-Jamahl Epsicokhan
https://www.jammersreviews.com/st-picard/s2/watcher.php

 

[Mirror Tuvix]

What I've long found weird

Yes, Deep Space Nine and Voyager are paragons of white male supremacy... and Sisko is really just a white guy. You've appointed yourself an expert at how "authentic" black men should act... I could say more but your words speak for themselves.