Spoilers Captain Rios series?

[FederationHistorian]

I’m not against it. They already have a Stargazer crew that could be fleshed out more, based on PIC S2 premiere.

Commander Moshe (Trill, first officer)
Lt. Sing (Bajoran, comms officer)
Lt. Urtern (Human, Tactical)
Ensign Kemi (Haliian, helmsman)

When taking other members of the PIC cast into consideration as being a part of the Stargazer crew:

Jurati and Soji would both fit as the science officer, and be able to crossover to engineering section a lot. And being both doctors, it would take the doctor title out of sickbay and focus solely in the sciences division. I think I would be completely fine if the chief engineer and CMO were supporting roles in this series.

Elnor would grow in a security division role, although would not be chief of security yet.

Raffi could be that chief of security, although, she’s currently first officer on the Excelsior. I’m not sure if she’d accept being second officer on the Stargazer, or if she would be both the first officer and be the chief of security simultaneously, as that’s an unusual combination on a starship on screen. That combo is something to be expected during the Archer/Pike/Kirk era, not the TNG/DS9/VOY/PIC era. The closest we ever saw that was when the DS9 command crew manned the Defiant.

I think I would just like to see this new time period filled out first.

In what way?

I’m sure that there would be encounters with members of Rios’s old crew from the USS Ibn Majid. Which is significant since that ship’s records are classified.

Rafii would have her Starfleet friends and reconnecting her son. Plus, her relationship with Seven, which would bring in the Fenris Rangers and former Voyager crew members.

Jurati and Soji would be for any future story involving cybernetics. and could be the new ago Geordi and Data.

The Bajoran comms officer is going to call back to DS9 and what’s happening on Bajor now.

Haliians are a brand new alien species to explore.

Now that it’s been brought to light to the public of Commodore Oh’s role in the synth attack on Mars, there’s the social and political fallout that comes from this, since Zhat Vash had agents among the Klingons and Gorn, as well as the Federation.

Plus, those extradimensional beings from the PIC S1 finale, since surely they could come through on their own.

And Admiral Clancy might make an appearance.

There’s enough to go on here for a 10 episode season.

 

[Rahul]

I would love a Captain Rios series, and I bet it would be called "Star Trek Stargazer." Haha!

Shouldn't it be called "Stargazer Trek"?

 

[Rahul]

RE topic:

No. I would be on board with a "Stargazer" show - if "Strange New Worlds" wasn't on the horizon! Together with DIS there is just too many "federation ship shows" around.

A La Sirena show maaaaaybe - depending on weather they find an interesting angle that isn't already sufficiently explored by Firefly/cowboy Bebop/Han Solo.

That being said - I just don't find Rios that interesting of a character. Too much stereotypical tough guy/loner with a heart of gold.

Sooo..... Captain Seven on La Sirena show? More interested. But that's already a far cry from the original topic suggestion of this thread!

 

[fireproof78]

That being said - I just don't find Rios that interesting of a character. Too much stereotypical tough guy/loner with a heart of gold.

I don't think he's even that stereotype. He is not that interesting.

But, I'd still want a Stargazer series over anything with the LA Sirena. And no Captain Seven.

 

[Jayson1]

Seven is kind of a stereotype as well. I mean almost all characters tend to sot of fit into familiar folds in some way. What I like best about a Rios show is taking that character and placing him inside a familiar Star Trek setting like a Federation starship setting. I think he would provide a nice contrast to all the other leads because unlike them he has lived a life outside of a Starfleet setting and he has been a kind of pirate and smuggler.

In away it's sort of like DS9 bringing in characters like Kira and Odo who weren't Starfleet but operated in a Starfleet system but had things going outside of that Starfleet setting. In away he is also kind of like Chakotay done right. What you see in him is kind of the potential that character had but wasn't explored very well.

 

[thribs]

I could see them having one after Picard ends after season 3.

 

[DEWLine]

I can also see a Stargazer series as Highly Probable.
Ditto for Seven/Annika as the (co-)lead in a Fenris series...

 

[valkyrie013]

How would you make a Rios series different?
You've got SNW as the episodic explorarion show ala Tng.
Disco .. Doing whatever save the galaxy thingy ..
What would Rios do?
I would love a 25th Century show but what would it be about? What difference from the others?
I like Rios and think hed be an interesting captain. But like how DS9 was different from Tng, and voyager different from both.. What would be the angle?
I can't think of anything.

 

[fireproof78]

Seven is kind of a stereotype as well. I mean almost all characters tend to sot of fit into familiar folds in some way. What I like best about a Rios show is taking that character and placing him inside a familiar Star Trek setting like a Federation starship setting. I think he would provide a nice contrast to all the other leads because unlike them he has lived a life outside of a Starfleet setting and he has been a kind of pirate and smuggler.

In away it's sort of like DS9 bringing in characters like Kira and Odo who weren't Starfleet but operated in a Starfleet system but had things going outside of that Starfleet setting. In away he is also kind of like Chakotay done right. What you see in him is kind of the potential that character had but wasn't explored very well.

That sounds good in theory but it doesn't necessarily translate in practice. Rios may have been outside Starfleet, but, as Picard notes, he was still "Starfleet." Back aboard the Stargazer he conducted himself like most other Starfleet captains. So, I don't see much difference in bringing him aboard the Stargazer and doing what? Explore strange new worlds? We have a show for that.

The only possible setting I see that could work on the Stargazer with Rios as captain is if he is assigned to expanding Federation interests in to the former neutral zone to try and restore order and bring down those elements we saw in Season 1. That could have conflict if some former business partners view him as a traitor for going back to Starfleet or going "legit."

But, I doubt that's what people want from a Star Trek show.

 

[valkyrie013]

That sounds good in theory but it doesn't necessarily translate in practice. Rios may have been outside Starfleet, but, as Picard notes, he was still "Starfleet." Back aboard the Stargazer he conducted himself like most other Starfleet captains. So, I don't see much difference in bringing him aboard the Stargazer and doing what? Explore strange new worlds? We have a show for that.

The only possible setting I see that could work on the Stargazer with Rios as captain is if he is assigned to expanding Federation interests in to the former neutral zone to try and restore order and bring down those elements we saw in Season 1. That could have conflict if some former business partners view him as a traitor for going back to Starfleet or going "legit."

But, I doubt that's what people want from a Star Trek show.

So.. To sum up..
An idea of the Stargazzer and Rios going into the form or romulan neutral zone maybe with Seven as first officer or just an add on like TPol or how she was on voyager. And they go and clean up the area.. Make it less lawless?
Good start on a concept.
Need something to happen though, like they find the supernova was instigated ... And they search for the perpetrators. Or Sela comes back with a fleet claiming emporeris title. Or some long oppressed society the romulan conqoured gers free and goes to conqour romulan space?

 

[Llywela]

How would you make a Rios series different?
You've got SNW as the episodic explorarion show ala Tng.
Disco .. Doing whatever save the galaxy thingy ..
What would Rios do?
I would love a 25th Century show but what would it be about? What difference from the others?
I like Rios and think hed be an interesting captain. But like how DS9 was different from Tng, and voyager different from both.. What would be the angle?
I can't think of anything.

What would be different? Exploring the radically altered political and geographical landscape of the early 25th century, for starters. Picard has only touched on what the world of the Federation and its geo-political neighbours looks like now, in the wake of the Dominion War and the Romulan supernova. There is loads to explore - what's going on with Bajor and Cardassia now, what's going on with the Klingons these days, the thorny political landscape of the splintered former Romulan Star Empire and its successors, the lawlessness of the former neutral zone...and I could go on. A post-Picard show centred around Stargazer could explore all of that, with a blend of standalone and serialised storytelling. Weave a few ongoing arcs around a number of missions-of-the-week and off you go, a whole new brand of Star Trek for the 25th century!

 

[Jayson1]

My idea for a Rios show would be that he would lead a ship into Starfleet's planned exploration of a alternate universe. One where the Federation was never created. He was chosen in part because he knows how to operate without a Federation support system behind him. He would be one of 3 ships and also a base of operations on a vacant planet. They would be cut off from the Federation for 1 year before they can reopen a wormhole to report. Maybe other aliens from our quadrant has also chosen to come over to. In this universe humans never evolved but another species did on earth and they would be the main bad guys. Not the dinosaur people either.

As for Seven I still like the idea of doing that show as ell aboard the La Sirena. No reason you can't have both shows. How I would do that in order to not repeat FIrefly is have the Fennis Rangers be hired by a Romulan colony to provide security and obtain supplies for them. An a exclusive deal. Seven finds herself getting involved in colony politics and finds herself a community leader of sorts meaning. She can't just go around killing people anymore nor can she rely on Starfleet because these Romulans want nothing to do with the Federation.


I figure you would have 5 shows not counting the cartoons.

1 Rios
2 Seven
3 Strange New Worlds
4 Academy with Tilly
5 Georgiou with Section 31.

2 shows post TNG, one in the distant future and two in the TOS era.

I would then follow that up once those 5 are done with a

1 A alternate present day show featuring Gary Seven of that universe where the Enterprise crashed landed in the 60's during that mission and now we see what impact that had on society and how it changed differently from ours but in some ways the same in the new 2025 or whenever the show was made.

2 Reboot of TNG in the Kelvinverse

3 Ancient Klingon Game of Thrones style of show featuring Kahless.

4 A meta show focused on Gene Roddenberry in the 1970's were he spends lots of time talking to hallucinations of Kirk,Spock etc because he is usually drunk and down on his luck having not had a post Trek series. It would also not cover up Roddenberry's flaws and would be rated R.

5 Riker and Troi's daughter going to live on Vulcan before going to Academy. The Trek version of some American Kid going backpacking through Europe before going to college.

 

[fireproof78]

What would be different? Exploring the radically altered political and geographical landscape of the early 25th century, for starters.

Thematically, that's not substantially different from Strange New Worlds.

 

[Llywela]

Thematically, that's not substantially different from Strange New Worlds.

I would say structurally similar rather than thematically. Strange New Worlds is set in the pioneering frontier era of TOS - exploring strange new worlds and seeking out new life, new civilisations, and all the rest of it. A post-Picard Stargazer series would be more about consolidation and renewal than exploration, building toward a brighter future after the ravages of a traumatic past. Those are very different themes.

 

[Vince A]

I'm hoping for a Stargazer Rios spinoff show that picks up after season 3 of Picard. It seems like a layup to me.
As other people have already posted, the era the show would take place in makes it different from SNW.

 

[fireproof78]

I would say structurally similar rather than thematically. Strange New Worlds is set in the pioneering frontier era of TOS - exploring strange new worlds and seeking out new life, new civilisations, and all the rest of it. A post-Picard Stargazer series would be more about consolidation and renewal than exploration, building toward a brighter future after the ravages of a traumatic past. Those are very different themes.

Potentially, but it would still be in a new place, i.e. getting to explore the Neutral Zone, hitherto before unexplored. I am not saying it can't be done because I think it can. I think having Rios as the captain of the Stargazer doing so would be too close to Strange New Worlds, and would need a much greater emphasis on that theme, i.e. a constant villain working against them, to make it feel differently from Strange New Worlds.

 

[FederationHistorian]

I think @Jayson1 solved how to get all live action shows on the air, without them overlapping each other.

DIS: Exploration mission set in the post-Burn 32nd century. Starfleet Academy & Federation politics overlap with post-Burn exploration missions.

SNW: 5 years Starfleet exploration mission w/ Federation support in the mid 23rd century.

Rios show: 1 year Starfleet exploration assignments without Federation support system & accompanied by a couple of ships and a base of operations; new mission under the same parameters every season set in either the early 25th century or whatever century the alternate universe is set in.

Seven show: Starfleet not involved whatsoever, set on an anti-Federation Romulan colony with the length determined by contract in the early 25th century.

Section 31: Clandestine operations not sanctioned by the Federation headed by mirror Georgiou, any time period.

 

[Jayson1]

Potentially, but it would still be in a new place, i.e. getting to explore the Neutral Zone, hitherto before unexplored. I am not saying it can't be done because I think it can. I think having Rios as the captain of the Stargazer doing so would be too close to Strange New Worlds, and would need a much greater emphasis on that theme, i.e. a constant villain working against them, to make it feel differently from Strange New Worlds.

I got to say I have always been akin to exploring the Neutral Zone. I recall having a idea awhile back that Starfleet and Romulans would have to team up to go find a villain that is a danger to both of them who is hiding in the Neutral Zone. My idea of the Neutral Zone is it kind of like Oklahoma as Indian Territory back in the day.

You would have native aliens that Starfleet knows very little to nothing about but the place would also be filled with criminals who hide out in the territory because they are out of the jurisdiction of both the Federation and Romulan governments which is what happened in real life. Ton of outlaws would hide out in Oklahoma after the committed crimes so they would he out of reach of the law.

I think I might save this one though for the TNG Kelvinverse reboot. For starters it's very possible that Romulus and thus the Star Empire didn't get wiped out in that universe like it did in the Prime Universe.

 

[fireproof78]

I got to say I have always been akin to exploring the Neutral Zone. I recall having a idea awhile back that Starfleet and Romulans would have to team up to go find a villain that is a danger to both of them who is hiding in the Neutral Zone. My idea of the Neutral Zone is it kind of like Oklahoma as Indian Territory back in the day.

You would have native aliens that Starfleet knows very little to nothing about but the place would also be filled with criminals who hide out in the territory because they are out of the jurisdiction of both the Federation and Romulan governments which is what happened in real life. Ton of outlaws would hide out in Oklahoma after the committed crimes so they would he out of reach of the law.

I think I might save this one though for the TNG Kelvinverse reboot. For starters it's very possible that Romulus and thus the Star Empire didn't get wiped out in that universe like it did in the Prime Universe.

I love the idea very much. I just would be more interested in exploring the outlaws and the Federation trying to reduce crime than just the underworld.

 

[SimiOne]

The setting could be in Fenris territory. Stargazer is assigned to it so Seven could join the crew as a special envoy.