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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x03 - "Assimilation"

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Romulan_spy said:
Isn't the Borg Queen a huge security risk? If she got out, she could start assimilating Earth in 2024 and completely change history.
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Considering how badly temporal changes can affect the timeline, would she really risk that?
I mean, she tried it before in FC movie and failed. Perhaps with the inclusion of transtemporal awareness, she might end up just considering the idea of trying to assimilate Earth in 2024 as a big 'no no' and going back to the 24th century on her own.

She has a knack for trying to scare people into giving her what she wants (obviously - and mainly because she's on her own), but it didn't really work on Picard or Jurati, because Picard was a former drone and Jurati just took what she needed from the queen.

Romulan_spy said:
I wonder if the Borg Queen will assimilate some people in 2024 and start a new Collective and that is the Collective that comes through the anomaly in ep 1 asking for Picard's help?
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That could be Jurati as the Borg Queen we saw in the first episode.
Given everything that's happened to date (how Rios described Agnes in her attitude towards cybernetics vs people) and now also with Jurati connecting with the Queen and 'impressing' her when she said 'I can almost feel it', I have an increasing suspicion that it will be Jurati who's the Queen... or Jurati may end up partly assimilated and managing to introduce a different kind of behavior into the Collective due to her skills or something to that effect?

After all, the Queen wasn't too pleased that Agnes stole the only bargaining chip from her... and this ability is exactly what the Queen may want to add to her Collective... and upon trying, it culd backfire and creating a new kind of Collective.
 
This one wasn’t as good as the first two, but that would have been a tall order to fill. It was reasonably entertaining and kept the plot moving forward, and as always it looked gorgeous.

I’m ok if Soji is done for S2. She was my least-favorite part of S1, so I won’t miss the character at all. Bummer that Elnor died, seems like a waste of a pretty unique character. My favorite is Rios, so hopefully he survives all this. Poppers

My biggest hope is that this trip to 2024 isn’t long. I don’t mind a few episodes of them questing around and looking to solve a piece of Q’s puzzle, but I hope there’s more to this season than a TVH rehash. I’m not a fan of “travel back in time to our era” Trek stories. I’m a much bigger fan of exploring the future. So, hopefully we move on relatively quickly.

Jeri Ryan is so underrated as a performer. She has great range.

I hope they let Sir Patrick out for some fresh air. It would suck if he’s stuck on the ship the whole trip.

We need more John DeLancie

Phasers set to kill are so awesome. Vwap! Vaporized sucker.
7/10
 
J. Frank Doobie said:
Once Picard realizes this, he'll know to be brave and trusting, and undo the mistake that Q is mad about --- eradicating the Borg.
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To expand here: Q has always been an odd duck, with a soft spot for his little pet species, the humans, which the Continuum really must find strange (like a grown man who's absolutely obsessed with, say, aphids).

I think he's desperate because the avatar of humanity he's chosen, who he deep down wants to be as noble as Q hopes, has already died in one form, and is probably close to permanent death. And then Picard goes and blows up the last Borg. Breaks Q's heart because he wanted to be right in believing the humans are more than dumb animals.

In his anger, he Ghost-of-Christmas-Future's Picard; "Look what you did! Xenocide! Just like the Continuum said you would! I thought you were better --- spent years hoping to prove it." And so, we get Eradication Day and a humanity relying on its basest instinct: fear.
 
Deks said:
or Jurati may end up partly assimilated and managing to introduce a different kind of behavior into the Collective due to her skills or something to that effect?

After all, the Queen wasn't too pleased that Agnes stole the only bargaining chip from her... and this ability is exactly what the Queen may want to add to her Collective... and upon trying, it culd backfire and creating a new kind of Collective.
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I like that theory a lot. It would explain the unusual behavior we saw in the Borg in episode 1. Perhaps, this new behavior will change the Borg to the point where the Federation can have peaceful relations with them.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
They absolutely should not have killed a major recurring character in a throwaway manner just as motivation for Seven.

This season so far they’ve been writing characters more like they should have to begin with.

I wonder why they chose to bring Elnor along just to dispatch him. There’s no reason he couldn’t still be alive in the restored prime timeline but again seeming to treat good characters as disposable anger widgets.

If you kill established characters, it should be done in a way that befits their own character and has to do with their own choices, not just as cheap motivation for another character.
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Unless Borg Queen finds a way to assimilate his corpse.
 
J. Frank Doobie said:
The fictional contrivance that a well-trained person can snap away a gun to their head never fails to get an eye roll from me. Again, it's like, fine, but a bit lazy.
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usually I would agree, but this criminal looked really incompetent. Not to mention greedy: with what he had in the wallet didn’t he have enough money to call it a day?
 
jackoverfull said:
one of the things on memory alpha that might easily become true ;)

Precisely. As a child, first contact was my introduction to the borg. And they stopped being scary as soon as the queen showed up (well, down), revealing yet another iviiil villain. On voyager she became even more a moustache-twirling villain, even to the point of killing drones who failed her, as if we amputated fingers who failed us.

Here…well, she’s scary!
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She's still a mustache-twirling villain, perhaps leaning even harder into that than before. "No one takes from me, my dear," is one of the mustache-twirliest lines I've heard from any character in Star Trek, especially with the way it was delivered. And that's fine, they're being true to the character.
 
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And some Trek villains are excellent mustache twirlers. The Weyouns(except for 6) were basically sniveling bureaucrats who twirled their mustaches in every episode in which they appeared. Their intentions were as clear as day even if they tried to cloak the malevolence of the Dominion's goals in self-serving pablum about galactic unity and harmony under the rule of the Founders.
 
Not as good as the first two but that’s ok. This one felt more like a table setter/transition type episode. And it was still good.

the stuff with the Queen was great. Elnors death was surprising but I doubt it sticks.

I do have a bad feeling they are setting up Rios to either stay in 2024 or to bring the doctor and her kid with them.

I do wish they had done the weird floating heads from TVH when they time jumped. It woulda been fun.

7/10
 
Outstanding performance by Rios. The handling of the immigrants was disturbing.

Maybe ordered by Trump
 
@Kilana2, about your spoiler:

Trump won't be president in 2024. Even if, God forbid, he wins election that year, he wouldn't take office until 2025.

So therefore Joe Biden is still president.

FWIW.
 
I don't think I'd want to see a Kurtzman/Nu-Trek version of the floating heads TVH time travel transition. It was odd and barely worked as I was under Nimoy. Though, I dunno, Lea Thompson directed this so maybe she could have made it work?

With Rios and the clinic doctor I feel more Sarah Silverman in the VOY episode(s) or *maybe* Catherine Hicks in TVH.
 
Paul755 said:
I do have a bad feeling they are setting up Rios to either stay in 2024 or to bring the doctor and her kid with them.
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I have a completely different bad feeling: Everyone will either die or stay in 2024.

I mean, they're not going to be able to get back home, are they? So if, as many have suggested, Jurati is the Borg Queen from "The Star Gazer"...wouldn't this heavily suggest that the characters who travel back to 2024 will stay there (one way or another) and there will be different, 'unspoiled' versions in the repaired 25th century?
 
Mr. Laser Beam said:
@Kilana2, about your spoiler:

Trump won't be president in 2024. Even if, God forbid, he wins election that year, he wouldn't take office until 2025.

So therefore Joe Biden is still president.

FWIW.
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Trump will be president in another timeline in 2024, created by Q. Let's just hope that this timeline is eventually wiped out.
 
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