Permanent daylight savings time passed by Senate

[Mr. Laser Beam]

So what happens to those parts of the country that never went on daylight savings time to begin with?

At least two states (Arizona and Hawaii) have never had DST. So do they have to have it now?

 

[Duncan MacLeod]

This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard of. Having kids walk to school when it's still pitch black out, in the streets because the sidewalks haven't been plowed yet, while drivers are rushing to get to work while half blinded by oncoming headlights is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Ontario has already (back in 2020) passed legislation to go to permanent DST as soon as two of our prominent neighbouring jurisdictions (Quebec and New York) make the change. If this was in the US Senate, I presume that is in place for the entire country? If so, then that should cover New York, and we're one step closer! And if the entire US is going, that should hopefully give Quebec incentive to follow suit. Let's make this happen, it's long overdue!

 

[Velocity]

It still has to be passed by the House of Representatives, though, doesn't it?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Do kids still even walk to school? Anywhere? Parents are so helicoptery nowadays they don't even leave the bus stop until their kids are safely aboard.

This won't change the amount of days where drivers are driving half blinded. I'm most blinded by the sun in my commute right after daylight savings ends. Heck, there's an estimated 300 extra deaths every year because of daylight savings grogginess.

Having more daylight hours after work for more of the year is an unequivocally good thing.

 

[valkyrie013]

Yes. Still has to go to the house.
Which may or may not do it. But is bipartisan. So that's hopefull.
I hate driving with the sun in my eyes in the morning .. Which is worse than headlights. So I welcome this.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

And you know, if it's a problem to make kids wait for the school bus in the dark. Move the school day later. What family with two working parents *really* wants the school day to end at 3 anyway?!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't really care which time they pick, just as long as they pick one.

Whether it's DST or non-DST, pick one and stick to it. Don't keep fucking changing the clocks. This isn't DW, stop it with this wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey crap. Time is time.

As for going to school in the dark...suck it up, kiddies. Far as I'm concerned it'll get them used to going to WORK in the dark.

And I still haven't found an answer as to what's going to happen with Arizona and Hawaii. They never observed DST to begin with, so would they have to start doing it?

 

[fireproof78]

Do kids still even walk to school? Anywhere?

Yes. Saw it today.

 

[Non Sync]

So what happens to those parts of the country that never went on daylight savings time to begin with?

At least two states (Arizona and Hawaii) have never had DST. So do they have to have it now?

Indiana is messed up with time zones in general. While the Standard Time Act put the state in the Central Time in 1918, it was inconsistently divided between Eastern and Central time zones in the early 60's. For the next couple of decades counties varied which time zone they observed. The entire state did not follow DST.

The argument for the two time zones is made for the counties in the far northwest and southwest corners of the state. The northwest counties proximity to the Chicago area and the southwest counties proximity to western half of Kentucky which also follows Central Time. The eastern half of Kentucky is Eastern Time.

In 2006, the US Department of Transportation finalized a rule that put the counties in Pulaski, Daviess, Dubois, Knox, Martin, Perry, and Pike on Central Time in April 2006 along with the entire state observing DST. Five of those counties- Daviess, Dubois, Knox, Martin, and Pike returned to Eastern Time in November 2007.

Right now, 80 of 92 counties use Eastern Time. There is a group that formed in 2009 that is arguing that Indiana should be in the Central Time zone as the state is geographically located in that time zone.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Yes. Saw it today.

By modern standards half the parents in the country would probably accuse them of child neglect.

But if the only thing keeping us have to change the clocks is school times, just start school a little later.

 

[fireproof78]

By modern standards half the parents in the country would probably accuse them of child neglect.

There's phone numbers for that.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I don't really care which time they pick, just as long as they pick one.

Whether it's DST or non-DST, pick one and stick to it. Don't keep fucking changing the clocks. This isn't DW, stop it with this wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey crap. Time is time.

That is literally what the law that you posted in the OP is trying to do, sooo???

As for going to school in the dark...suck it up, kiddies. Far as I'm concerned it'll get them used to going to WORK in the dark.

Yes, god forbid kids have some time to just be kids before we start preparing them to be wage slaves.

And I still haven't found an answer as to what's going to happen with Arizona and Hawaii. They never observed DST to begin with, so would they have to start doing it?

No.

If the legislation makes it to Biden’s desk it begs the question: What happens to Arizona?

According to the offices of Arizona's U.S. Senators Kyrsten Sinema and Mark Kelly, essentially nothing will happen in Arizona.

Since the Pacific coast states move to Mountain Standard Time during daylight saving time, which is Arizona's permanent time zone, Arizona would always be aligned with those states instead of being an hour ahead of them during the winter months if the bill is signed into law.

Because the bill states that Arizona and Hawaii would be allowed to remain on each state's standard time and the bill is meant only for states that observe daylight saving time, Arizona is not directly affected by the bill.

Both Senator Sinema's office and Senator Kelly's office agreed that, in theory, Arizona could opt to switch to Mountain Daylight Time if the state wished to do that.​

https://www.12news.com/article/news...izona/75-8d3364a3-c30e-451f-a74e-39a8954bf907

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I seem to remember being at the bus stop when it was still dark anyway.

Though they may have changed the dates the clocks get changed since the mid 70's.

 

[Gryffindorian]

They should have repealed DST and kept Standard Time.

 

[Owain Taggart]

Do kids still even walk to school? Anywhere?

I'm sure there are remote regions where some still do. There are still many regions that still don't get adequate transportation. In the Province of Ontario, for instance, the further north you go, the more isolated communities become, and that doesn't even take into account the many bus route cancellations due to Covid.

 

[scotpens]

. . . As for going to school in the dark...suck it up, kiddies. Far as I'm concerned it'll get them used to going to WORK in the dark.

What about China? The country spans four time zones and yet officially it's on a single clock. There must be millions of Chinese kids who wake up, eat breakfast and go to school before sunrise.

Oh, and it's Daylight Saving Time, not "savings." Saving, not "savings." Saving, not "savings."

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I had to remind my boss that we have the same amount of daylight hours in a day, but our way of keeping time affects how we spend that time.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Oh, and it's Daylight Saving Time, not "savings." Saving, not "savings." Saving, not "savings."

Whatever. Same diff.

 

[Unicron]

I've seen a number of editorials in the paper recently suggesting that dropping DST would be good, but that any permanent change should use standard time (which is more in sync with natural rhythms and some time zones) than any variation of the DST hours. Seems reasonable to me.