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Do you want the Kelvin Universe to continue?

"Do you want them to continue?" My answer is a hard no
Mine too. I hate JJ's stuff with a passion and actually think he did more damage to Star Wars than he did to Trek. Which was a surprise, as I'd thought him probably better suited to Star Wars.

However, there's a lot of people out there like his Trek. I don't get it (and I even found the JJ-less Beyond so similar tonally as to be indistinguishable) but it's not up to me to deny those people their enjoyment. After all, they might not like Disco or Picard, and I really do. Would I happy with some malcontents trying to shut them down ?

I'd be delighted to see no more Kelvinverse movies. I'd be pretty happy if reality was rewritten so that Lower Decks had never happened. I could really live without lots of popular stuff.

It's not all about me.
 
Problem was he is a Star Wars fan.
Yeah, agreed, and that still didn't result in good movies.

I love both franchises but probably lack the skills to make a decent movie in either. JJ and I are apparently quite similar in that.

:hugegrin:

As I said earlier though, if folks want them, fair enough.
 
No, I don't think I want the Kelvinverse to continue. At least not with the Enterprise crew.

Continuing under Kelvin Terrell on the Reliant, or the Kelvin version of Decker, Ilia, Xon, M’Ress & Arex as the next Enterprise crew are interesting premises.

The fact that it never occurred to the studio to do either of those ideas though – or even merge those ideas together - says a lot about their vision of the Kelvin movies. I would have watched a Kelvinverse Reliant movie.

Also, now that Anton is gone, they really should just leave it alone. Unlike in TOS, this was an ensemble cast and if you can't continue without a founding castmember, you really shouldn't.

There’s no disrespect to Anton’s memory if they continue the films.

And if Sofia Boutella and/or Alice Eve become a part of the main cast – as I think they should - I don’t see how that would be disrespectful to Anton either. Its not like the studio would be recasting him.
 
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The fact that it never occurred to the studio to do either of those ideas though – or even merge those ideas together - says a lot about their vision of the Kelvin movies. I would have watched a Kelvinverse Reliant movie.
Kelvin Reliant is a target at fans, not general audiences, which was the vision with 09. Reliant and Terrell sound terrible.
 
Kelvin Reliant is a target at fans, not general audiences, which was the vision with 09. Reliant and Terrell sound terrible.

Not necessarily. Add the Klingons to the plot and feature cameos from Kelvin Enterprise crew to make it more mainstream.

If the studio is going to keep going to the TWOK well for ideas for the foreseeable future, something based around the Reliant and Captain Terrell hasn’t been done yet.
 
If the studio is going to keep going to the TWOK well for ideas for the foreseeable future, something based around the Reliant and Captain Terrell hasn’t been done yet.
They should not be doing that well at all. Captain Terrell is a completely uninspired character and would be a poor choice for mainstream audiences.
 
Kelvin movies will have the TOS characters front and centre in any future instalment. Full stop. That’s the whole point of them.

A Reliant movie featuring Captain Terrell is not just a laughably shit idea, it’s also the very antithesis of the guiding creative philosophy that gave birth to the Kelvinverse in the first place.
 
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Considering that Carol Marcus in the Kelvinverse was nothing like her Prime Universe counterpart, if Terrell showed up, they could conceivably rework the character to make him a lot more interesting and compelling in his own right... basically a brand new character who just happens to have the same name as somebody from PrimeTrek.

Just look at how much love Robau got from a few minutes of screen time in one movie. NuTerrell could be the new Robau!

Kor
 
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Robau got taken out like a punk and his idiot crew needed him to tell them to put the sunglass shield on the viewscreen so their eyeballs didn't melt out. He just stood there while Nero turned him into a shishkabob
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Problem was he is a Star Wars fan.
Was he really a star wars fan? or did he always say that because star wars was...is seen as much cooler than star trek in the public domain and JJ Abrams wanted to be in the cool crowd.

Considering jj abrams made a complete mess of star wars (far more than the mess of star trek into darkness) and episode 9:The Rise of Skywalker was a film I found very insulting and disrespecting both to the prequels and original movies. I doubt first just how much jj knew about star wars, before I wonder how big of a ''fan'' he was.
 
Was he really a star wars fan?
Yes.
Considering jj abrams made a complete mess of star wars and episode 9 , I found very insulting and disrespecting both to the prequels and original movies. I doubt just how much jj knew about star wars.
Oh, please. A franchise can't be insulted or disrespected. If Lucas didn't insult the characters of the OT, despite many claiming he did, then Abrams can do no such thing. The only difference is that he engaged with Star Wars differently and had his own ideas of what he liked and the story he wanted to tell. I wouldn't have gone the way he did but I found the story entertaining enough.

Insulting. Please. It's a fictional franchise that cannot be insulted. :rolleyes:
 
Problem was he is a Star Wars fan.

Was he really a star wars fan? or did he always say that because star wars was...is seen as much cooler than star trek in the public domain and JJ Abrams wanted to be in the cool crowd.
He said he was a Star Wars fan because that's what was happening at the time he was growing up. Abrams would have been 11 years old when the first movie came out, and 14 for ESB. Those were ideal teenage boy movies for that time, and TMP just... wasn't.

It's not like he was trying to trash-talk Trek, or anything. He described in interviews how he tried watching Star Trek, but it simply didn't speak to him. And it wouldn't, because Star Trek -- both in TV reruns and in contemporary movies -- was consciously aimed at an earlier generation than his.

Paramount may have wanted to get a ride on the bandwagon Star Wars was becoming, but TMP was not made with the adolescent movie audience in mind. Neither was TWoK, really -- not only was it still focused on an audience from more than a decade earlier, it was to some extent about that audience (personified by Captain Kirk and others) growing older. What 14-year-old would be interested in that?

Star Wars was the ride for Abrams' age group, and that -- more than anything else -- is why he became a fan at that age.
 
It's not like he was trying to trash-talk Trek, or anything. He described in interviews how he tried watching Star Trek, but it simply didn't speak to him.
In other interviews he discusses how, as he worked on Star Trek, he became more interested and involved in the world. Unlike what the internet might try to imply he, as you state, didn't trash talk it. He actually became more interested in it because of his work.
 
Was he really a star wars fan? or did he always say that because star wars was...is seen as much cooler than star trek in the public domain and JJ Abrams wanted to be in the cool crowd.

Considering jj abrams made a complete mess of star wars (far more than the mess of star trek into darkness) and episode 9:The Rise of Skywalker was a film I found very insulting and disrespecting both to the prequels and original movies. I doubt first just how much jj knew about star wars, before I wonder how big of a ''fan'' he was.

How did he insult and disrespect Star Wars? By copying plot beats from the 1977 original as a template? One could argue he may (or may not) have been insulting some fans, but not the movie -- also, the characters created were the saving grace despite the plot beats. He nailed the feel and tone of the franchise better than the prequels - it's still possible to keep a feel of something while expanding on its universe. Case in point: "The Last Jedi" felt like Star Wars in a way the prequels hadn't (to me, anyway, YMMV.) If anything, I'd give TFA a pass only because fans will have wanted something familiar and he was playing it safe (because the prequels weren't as fantastic as all that?). Perhaps he was being too safe, if anything?

"The Rise of Skywalker" was backtracking to fix a mess the makers made in 2017 and 2015 by letting other people do their own thing in the trilogy - indeed, Rian Johnson was going to be caught in the middle either which way. He had to continue with what was put out in 2015 and apparently was given carte blanche. So it's not all on him, nor should it be. That aside, I like "The Last Jedi" the most of the ST, but if there was a major nitpick then it's that he was arguably too busy defying expectations for expectations' sake rather than for a point in the story. TRoS had to get around all that then continue onward, which didn't help...

...all that said, TRoS had something rather clever in putting compacted Death Star technology into the larger Star Destroyer class warships -- now THAT should have been done in the 2015 film instead of characters drily lampooning "yet another death star" (something already done to death by 1983...) Did they need another clone of Palpatine moohahaha'ing around? No. A clone of Snoke would have been more compelling...

It's like reading a book. Chapters 4-6 were written first, then 1-3. If you're reading 1-2-3-4-5-6, it'll feel jarring in the middle. Then you get to the next chapter a few years later and you'd swear it's a lot of deja vu. Then you remember it was all done in chapters 4 and 6 already.

As for Star Trek - he got the basic superficial characteristics and crowd-pleasing rubber stamp points down: McCoy's snarky and bickers with Spock. Kirk does it with green chicks. Chekov's from Russia. Etc. Etc. Some TOS episodes were fairly shallow too. Is his 2009 movie memorable? Not really, it's just popcorn action schlock. Again, so are a number of TOS episodes. But he was cashing in on nostalgia. The inevitable sequel had to deliver. He made the (IMHO) mistake of thinking that more catering to nostalgia with a popular name alone would do it. Especially when the villain as "John Harrison" already seemed a strong enough character and presence to not need to be revealed (complete with lame OTT acting) as "Khan," though the revised backdrop for his origins was pretty decent. But was it necessary at all? (Maybe not as unnecessary as going to Qo'Nos for a picnic or role-reversal with the death and the parody of the "KHAAN!" scream (never mind "magic blood"), though if any one biological being were to have the strength needed to kick a misaligned big metal object designed to channel so much power into place, it'd be Khan while on steroids and adrenaline boosters. Any old person kicking it into alignment-- even TOS didn't stoop to such generic action shlock levels. (Doesn't mean I hate the film, there's a lot I liked but was disappointed with the other aspects.) A lot of 21st century sci-fi has often seemingly been more a mixed bag than anything a more fully step-up anyway.
 
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