Like with everything Borg, I am guessing the Borg assimilated the tech at some point and integrated it into all Borg Queens going forward.
The Borg Queen has temporal intuition?
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Because, as I said, Picard left the Nexus of his own free will. He made a conscious decision to leave. His departure was complete, not like Guinan who left an echo behind because the Enterprise transported her out and it didn't exactly work 100%.
The whole "Nexus echo" thing was an explanation for a character trait that no one asked for. Why can't the El Aurians have this mysterious power that can't be explained? Picard's dialogue from Yesterday's Enterprise should have been sufficient.
Anij taught him to slow down time.
Being Picard, he used it for kisses rather than Matrix-style bullet dodging.
on another hand, remember that Q said that guinan is a “being” that’s “not what it seems”, so we can’t even be so sure she’s a totally run of the mill el-aurian.
see above. This was the writers’ intention, it’s in the background material and in the novelisation, but never got on screen, so other interpretations are still open.
In fairness, this is Star Trek. I LIKE to have a reasonable explanation behind something rather than something being 'unexplainable'.
We're watching a show set hundreds of years into the future with supposedly really powerful technology that DOES have the capacity to provide rational explanations for most things... if not everyting.
At any rate, Guinan's temporal awareness might not have originated from the Nexus... it could have been perhaps 'enhanced' by the Nexus, but otherwise, this ability could be innate to El-Aurians.
Ah... I completely forgot about that... though, DID she really teach that to him, or was it that he was able to do it when she was around?
They writers clearly put thought into it, this is inspired by a line from First Contact.
But , then we can't treat the writers as proverbial punching bags.
And that was long after she encountered the Nexus.
He was never really in a position to. There were no temporal anomalies in Generations besides the nexus itself.
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I have temporal intuition. I know this isn't the future we should all be living in now. Maybe it's due to the interplexing beacon that I swallowed when I was a toddler.
The Queen's host body may be time-sensitive and was chosen for that very quality. Or else it's simply remarkable coincidence this particular Queen was the unlucky one captured by the Confederation.
The Borg seem to know about time paradoxes and can share that within the Collective. Seven knew of the First Contact incursion.
The Queen's host body may be time-sensitive and was chosen for that very quality. Or else it's simply remarkable coincidence this particular Queen was the unlucky one captured by the Confederation.
The Borg seem to know about time paradoxes and can share that within the Collective. Seven knew of the First Contact incursion.
The nexus is not what gives Guinan her abilities. They're an low-key reference to the Time Lords of Doctor Who. Well before the Nexus stuff Guinan had described her people as "listeners" and that they've always been known for those abilities. Q is scared of her. She's just this fantastic unknown factor with a mysterious background.
That was my first thought. The El Aurians were almost entirely assimilated by the Borg, so the Borg would have at least some of their abilities.
Since this played such a major role in the resolution of the season, I think it's worth revisiting just how this works, why it's such a big deal, and whether or not it makes sense.
Seven described this ability as hearing "echoes" of herself across alternate timelines. What is the scope of this power? The show suggests that the Queen can wield this awareness to see both the past, present, and future of all possible timelines, presumably through her connection to all the different incarnations of herself. This grants the Queen a kind of functional omniscience, right?
But if she can bridge her mind into the future to witness all possible outcomes, wouldn't that make her unstoppable? Wouldn't that influence all of her decisions? Or are we meant to understand that she lacks agency because the future is written? And again, if she can access the developments of all timelines simultaneously, wouldn't she already be aware of the Jurati Queen? How would that be revelatory? We know the Jurati Queen existed prior to Q's meddling, so there's a causal loop in effect. Or is the Queen unable to see that future because her awareness ends when she merges with Jurati?
Time travel...
Seven described this ability as hearing "echoes" of herself across alternate timelines. What is the scope of this power? The show suggests that the Queen can wield this awareness to see both the past, present, and future of all possible timelines, presumably through her connection to all the different incarnations of herself. This grants the Queen a kind of functional omniscience, right?
But if she can bridge her mind into the future to witness all possible outcomes, wouldn't that make her unstoppable? Wouldn't that influence all of her decisions? Or are we meant to understand that she lacks agency because the future is written? And again, if she can access the developments of all timelines simultaneously, wouldn't she already be aware of the Jurati Queen? How would that be revelatory? We know the Jurati Queen existed prior to Q's meddling, so there's a causal loop in effect. Or is the Queen unable to see that future because her awareness ends when she merges with Jurati?
Time travel...
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She only knows this because she's tapping into the Queen's awareness. The same goes for the fate of the Borg in every timeline; Agnes is regurgitating information the Queen already has access to. If she can foresee the fate of the Borg in every timeline, then why did it take until that moment for a version of the Borg Queen to ruminate on alternative modes of living? Wouldn't she have been cognizant of this very moment since her debut in "Penance?" Since the dawn of her existence? Wouldn't she know of the merger between herself and Jurati, and the possible success of a peaceful Collective?
And if, at the time Jurati is supplicating the Queen, the Borg perish in every perceivable timeline, what would make their decisions at that moment have any sway over a fate that appears to be immutable?
And if, at the time Jurati is supplicating the Queen, the Borg perish in every perceivable timeline, what would make their decisions at that moment have any sway over a fate that appears to be immutable?
Because people are flawed and often don't see solutions right in front of them. Also it ties into the mental health themes of the season. The Queen would never have have considered these things should she not shared consciousness with another like she did.
Makes you wonder if Picard had surrendered in "Best of Both Worlds" and FC, could he have changed the Borg from within as Jurati did in the space of 3 days?
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Saying the Borg Queen is flawed would be the understatement of the century. Nonetheless, the mental health analogy degrades just a bit when you introduce lofty concepts such as omniscience and unnatural lifespans. Normal human beings with a similar psychological profile do not have access to infinite knowledge and centuries of experience, and when presented with those boons, would not likely react in the manner showcased. I'm not trying to downplay the effectiveness of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (the brevity of Jurati's "session" in comparison with the thousands of years the Queen has existed notwithstanding). The biggest problem comes with the crux of Jurati's argument, specifically how it relies on the Queen's temporal omniscience to sell her argument. All this timey-wimey stuff could have been replaced with something more personal, less confounding, and more effective as a result. The transtemporal awareness thing just opens up too many questions that will never have answers.
I've said this before, but the premise of the Borg Queen and Jurati being alike is a phenomenal idea on paper. The writers should have leveraged this connection to explore how the Queen transitioned from a Jurati-esque origin to the mad tyrant she became. In this sense, they could have easily emphasized that it was the unique commiseration between these two that made the Queen suddenly open to suggestion. We can assume that's the case, but the way it's presented, again, leans into the omniscience rigmarole instead, which is a shame.
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