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By solving a problem my five year old nephew could figure out.
That's an impressive 5 year old...
Have they said that 10C aren't carbon based?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 4x12 - "Species 10-C"
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That's an impressive 5 year old...
Have they said that 10C aren't carbon based?
Now that you bring it up, this is how many people are reporting their reactions to two years of Covid restrictions, social distancing, Zoom meetings, working from home and mandated lockdowns. Our familiar support networks are so disrupted that people close to us fall off the radar, and it seems inexcusable that no one noticed.
You would be happier watching a short plot-driven mini-series with no character stuff?
It's implied that they may not be during the conversation between saru, t'rina, rillak and burnham, when they're trying to figure out how to identify themselves as sentient lifeforms to the 10c, given that showing upin a warp capable starship wasn't enough
I think the writers forgot their own timeline of events. Again.
Maybe so; however - the issue remains - is Tarka being honest? There is one episode left to go; will Tarka's story be verified?
Probably not. He already lied about being from an alternate universe. Didn't he? Unless I'm confused, it was his cellmate who claimed to know how to get to an alternate "paradise" universe. (What a convoluted plot btw.)
Or, they split the season in 2 or 3 story arcs.
Depending on the number of episodes per season... lets say 12... 4 or 6 episodes per story arc provides a good amount of time to flesh stuff out in detail and do it justice (depending on the story) and a common theme going forward that connects it all.
Basically, ENT did that in its 4th season and it was doing well what with the foreshadowing of the Earth-Romulan war.
Its possible that Tarka was captured by the Emerald Chain shortly after giving a lecture (aka, in the same year)... plus, we've seen that Osyraa propped up Orelio as a head scientist who was a respected public figure in the Emerald Chain.
Maybe Tarka was in a similar position before he ended up in a work camp (or, giving the lecture attracted Osyraa's attention so she ended up putting him to work on dilithium alternatives with his bff).
As for Booker taking Tarka at face value... well, Trek humans and those who live in UFP would generally take things at face value by giving those who say them the benefit of the doubt... but, this was a rather precarious situation and Tarka already demonstrated to Booker just how far he will go when they were fighting Discovery... so in the situation that was given, Booker should have double or triple checked everything Tarka said to him (especially given what was at stake).
After re-subscribing to Paramount Plus after bowing out around the sixth episode of Discovery, I jumped ahead to see what or who the Species 10-C aliens were that I was expecting/hoping we would see in this episode. But after seeing the episode, I would be okay if they stay mysterious and new to Trek. I rather liked how they were depicted, it made them feel more alien. Also, how the crew couldn't easily communicate with them. While that was a bit drawn out, it was still very Trek and I appreciated that.
I'm torn a bit about this episode, as well as the fourth season (that I've seen). In many respects I got to give the writers/creators a lot of credit because they are moving in the right direction. We've gotten more across the board character development, we've gotten more personal stakes, we've gotten conflict rooted more organically in those stakes between Booker and Burnham, and we've got a science/science-fiction mystery (and while the fate of the galaxy still hangs in the balance), it's not quite the shoot 'em up that we've gotten in the past. This season is more like The Motion Picture and The Voyage Home. However, I still don't think it's quite gelled.
In this 12th episode, the pacing felt a bit off, like they were dragging things out. But then there were things like the Burham-Saru scream moment which really showed how far they've come since the first season, but at the same time felt like it was the wrong time to have that moment with a countdown ticking. (It felt as strangely placed as the retconned ENT holodeck scenes inside the TNG episode "The Pegasus"). But the thing is I liked the scene well enough, and I really liked how Burnham had offered Saru her insight into Vulcans to help him understand T'Rina. That was a cool, full circle kind of aside.
Another moment I liked, but at the same time felt was stretching things was when Burnham had the bridge crew involved in figuring out how to communicate with the aliens. This was a time they did need Tilly. It was great to have the bridge crew get more lines, but it felt like Saru, Burnham, the others already in the room, and Zora for that matter could've figured it out. If anything, I think Stamets and Adira would've been more helpful.
It's standard for this series, but the production values are great. The cliffhanger ending wasn't unexpected, but it was a bit saddening to see Species 10-C mistake Tarka's actions for those of Discovery.
I'm torn a bit about this episode, as well as the fourth season (that I've seen). In many respects I got to give the writers/creators a lot of credit because they are moving in the right direction. We've gotten more across the board character development, we've gotten more personal stakes, we've gotten conflict rooted more organically in those stakes between Booker and Burnham, and we've got a science/science-fiction mystery (and while the fate of the galaxy still hangs in the balance), it's not quite the shoot 'em up that we've gotten in the past. This season is more like The Motion Picture and The Voyage Home. However, I still don't think it's quite gelled.
In this 12th episode, the pacing felt a bit off, like they were dragging things out. But then there were things like the Burham-Saru scream moment which really showed how far they've come since the first season, but at the same time felt like it was the wrong time to have that moment with a countdown ticking. (It felt as strangely placed as the retconned ENT holodeck scenes inside the TNG episode "The Pegasus"). But the thing is I liked the scene well enough, and I really liked how Burnham had offered Saru her insight into Vulcans to help him understand T'Rina. That was a cool, full circle kind of aside.
Another moment I liked, but at the same time felt was stretching things was when Burnham had the bridge crew involved in figuring out how to communicate with the aliens. This was a time they did need Tilly. It was great to have the bridge crew get more lines, but it felt like Saru, Burnham, the others already in the room, and Zora for that matter could've figured it out. If anything, I think Stamets and Adira would've been more helpful.
It's standard for this series, but the production values are great. The cliffhanger ending wasn't unexpected, but it was a bit saddening to see Species 10-C mistake Tarka's actions for those of Discovery.
Sherlock TV series managed just fine in creating a really good story each season along with character development by having only 3 episodes per year... aka, a mini series. Granted, each episode was about 90 mins long... so, in total, you're looking at 6 x 45 min (or 4.5 hours) episodes of Trek per story arc - and I enjoyed the character development as well despite the fact of never reading any Sherlock Holmes novels.
That would actually work quite well with what I suggested before ... that if Trek does story arcs (which can easily work in that setting), they would probably work better if there were 2 or 3 of them per season... that way, you can devote all your time in creating a deep/rich story which also includes decent character development.
If there are 13 episodes per season, you can do 2 story arcs, each of which is 6 episodes long with maybe 1 filler episode as a 'break' in between the arcs... or just 12 episodes per season... comprising of 6 episodes per story arc that includes character development.
Novels can easily be adapted to TV series or movies... movies can have a runtime of 3 hours even.
The Destiny novels for example spanned 3 pocket books.... 4 episodes per novel (aka, 3 hrs worth of runtime) should be enough to cover the vast majority of 2 novels and cutting very little from them.
The only exception would be second book which apparently had double the amount of pages compared to the other two books in the series... so that could extend into 15 or 16 episodes in total as a 'special season'... whereas most others would have (obviously) shorter number of episodes.
Either way, you can have a proper story with decent character development in a mini series... and modern Trek has more runtime per season in general than Sherlock.
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Type II means they have control over the energy of a star. There was never an indication they had that type of power. They even made a big deal of seeing a Dyson Sphere. I do agree that I'd think they would have gotten to Type II by the 31st century (or whenever the TCW started), but apparently not. Or that the Voth or Borg could have been Type II.
Of course he's far smarter than anyone else in this discussion. But yes, he very can be wrong about a fictional civilization that he might not even be that familiar with. Like I said above, Type II refers to energy output/control, it has nothing to do with how far you reach (directly, I mean).
We could all be wrong about a fictional civilization since it is fictional. We are all speculating to one degree or another. So can anyone say who is truly right? But someone like Michio Kaku has a strong science foundation to base his speculation on.
I know that. But I think energy output is related to expansion. Any civilization that has colonized hundreds of star systems like the Federation has, should be capable of harnessing the power of a star and therefore should be capable of Type II.
Tarka never said he was from an alternate universe.
Getting to and colonizing any number of planets is child's play compared to encircling a star with a Dyson Sphere™ or a hyperfield. Those would take so much more time and resources/power, but with the advent of programmable matter, who knows?
True, but he constantly talks about going „home“ there.
Given what was demonstrated of UFP technology in the 24th century (and even that on Enterprise) they could have made a Dyson Swarm pretty easily and become Type II civilization. They may have made a big deal out of a Sphere, but a Swarm is different (far easier to construct as its not one solid structure - and besides, a sphere might have also been possible since Neutronium isn't the ONLY material you need to make a sphere - let alone a swarm... plus, the UFP was seen constructing some pretty big superstructures - surpassing the size of 1 space based solar collector that would be the baseline for the swarm).
My point is, they SHOULD have been a Type II by the late 24th century (and have swarms across UFP space - at least around member planets)... and underway on becoming Type III (in fact, they would have been very close to Type III by the time the Burn occurred).
But as we saw, Disco writers chose NOT to advance UFP (in 930 years) in almost any significant area, so we can only hope UFP will decide to finally advance to Type II and III from 32nd century onward.
In Tarka's story, he said that he been a prisoner of the Emerald Chain for several years before he was transferred to that work camp.
Exactly.
Which is why if we had PROPER advancement for UFP, it would have had Dyson Swarm all over the Milky Way (or at least pretty much around most stars in its own space in the 24th century) and in nearby dwarf galaxies by the 32nd (they certainly had the propulsion means to get there, and even to Andromeda in as little as 4.5 hrs via QS v2 - heck, even at Warp 9.9 it would have taken them about 2 years to reach a nearby dwarf galaxy).
But we also need to remember that most people associate construction of a SPHERE/shell with Type II (which is not accurate).
Very few people actually talk about building a Dyson SWARM (which in practice is a far more realistic approach and even Freeman Dyson laughed off the idea of an actual Sphere/Shell and scoffed that people tried saying it was him who suggested it)... so, either a Dyson Swarm or Dyson Rings (I'd consider a Swarm more advanced method since it would accumulate much more energy than 2 overalpping ring worlds).
So, UFP certainly had the ability to construct the swarms across theeir space by the late 24th century using Warp drive and automation alone... which they both have.
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If we have the exact dates of when Tarka was a prisoner of the Emerald chain and when this supposed conference took place... and if they overlap... then its a continuity error, plain and simple... mind you, Tarka could have been lying to Booker about when he was captured by the Emerald chain.
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