"A Thousand Cubic Parsecs of Space".

[MAGolding]

In "Arena" the Metrons stopped the Gorn ship and the pursuing Enterprise, and took Captain KIrk and the Gorn Captain to a world to fight.

On the bridge of the Enterprise, McCoy doesn't think Spack is doing enough to find KInk.

MCCOY: Now, you're the one that's always talking about logic. What about some logic now? Where's the Captain, Mister Spock?
SPOCK: He's out there, Doctor. Out there somewhere in a thousand cubic parsecs of space, and there's absolutely nothing we can do to help him.

So what makes Mr. Spock say that Kirk is somewhere in a thousand cubic parsecs of space instead of somehwere in a hundred cubic parsecs of space or somwhere within a million cubic parsecs of space, or soe other volume of space?

So what would a thousand cubic parsecs of space be like? A parsec is approximatley 3.2626 light years, so a cubic parsec is approimately 34.697011 cubic light years. A thousand cubic parsecs would be 34,697.011 cubic light years.

If the "thousand cubic parsecs" was in a cube shape, each side of that cube would be 10 parsecs or 32.626 light years long.

If the "thousand cubic parsecs" was in a sphere shape, the radius of the sphere would be about 6.2035 parsecs or about 20.2333 light years, and the diameter of the sphere would be about 12.407 parsecs or about 40.4666 light years.

The Enterprise was scanned from a solar system ahead of the Enterprise but behind the fleeing Gorn Ship:

DEPAUL: Two two seven nine pl, sir. Uncharted solar system at two four six six pm.
KIRK: Is it on the alien's course?
DEPAUL: No, sir. He's headed away from it.
UHURA: Captain, sensors report we're being scanned.
KIRK: By the alien ship?
UHURA: No, sir. It's from that solar system ahead.

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At that time the Gorn ship has passed beyond the scanning solar system and that solar system is still ahead of the Enteprise. The scanning solar system is somewhere on a line from the Etneprise to the Gorn Ship, and between the btwo spacehips. And probably not exactly on the line but off to one side of it by an unspecified amout.

Then the Gorn ship slows and stops. And then the Enterprise slows and stops.

SCOTT: I don't know, sir, but whatever it is, we canna move.
SPOCK: We're being held in place, Captain, apparently from that solar system.
KIRK; This far out? That's impossible.
SPOCK: We are being held.

So the Enterprise is too far from the scanning solar system for any technology that Kirk knows about to hodl the ship in place. Part of that distance may be the sizeways distance by which that solar system is offset from the past and future path of the Enterprise. Part of that distanc emay be the distance of that solar sysem along the projected path of the Enterprise.

And if part of the distance Kirk considers to be too great for any technology to affect the Enterpris eis along the projected path of the Enterprise, has the Enterprise already passed the solar system in pursuit of the Gorn ship? Or is the Enterprise still getting closer to the solar system as it pursues the Gorn Ship?.

The Enterprise seems to stop very soon after the Uhura says the solar system is ahead of the Enteprise.

UHURA: No, sir. It's from that solar system ahead.
KIRK: Any interference? Resistance?
UHURA: No, sir, Just scanning beams. It's on an unusual wave length.
KIRK: Mister Spock?
SPOCK: It would appear someone is curious about us.
KIRK: Mister Sulu, is the alien still heading away from that solar system?
SULU: Yes, sir. We're closing, sir.
KIRK: Lieutenant Uhura, anything further on those scanning beams?
UHURA: There's no hostility, sir. They're not tractors or weapons of any sort, Just increasing in intensity. Steady. Regular. It's growing stronger, sir.
SULU: Captain!
KIRK: Yes, what is it?
SULU: The alien. It's slowing down. Warp five, four, two. It's going sublight, sir. Sir? It's stopped dead in space.
KIRK: He may be turning to fight.
SULU: No, sir. They're just dead out there.
KIRK: Are you sure?
SULU: Yes, sir. Unmoving.
KIRK: Then we've got them. Go to Red Alert. Prepare to fire phaser banks. Sensors, lock on. Mister Sulu, continue closing. Mister Spock, lock phasers into computer. Computers will control attack.
SPOCK: Computer lock ready, Captain. All systems standing by.
SULU: Range is one eight one zero. One seven six zero. Range is one seven zero zero. One six four zero. Range is one five nine zero. One five five zero and closing, sir.
(Suddenly, the ship decelerates, and everyone hangs on to something as the lights dim.) SULU: Warp six, warp five, four, warp three, warp one. Sublight, Captain. We're stuck, Captain. It's impossible, but. It's impossible.
KIRK: From warp eight? Have you lost your mind?

And I think that it is unlikely that the Enterprise moves past "that solar system ahead" in just a few minutes of dialog and action.

So I think that the scanning solar system is still ahead of the Enterprise and behind the Gorn ship, off to the side from the line between the two ships. Other people might want to assume the Enteprise has passed that solar system by the time it stops.

One possible reason why Spock might think that the volume of space where Kirk could be might have a volume of 1,000 cubic parsecs would be if the Gorn ship was stopped 10 parsecs or 32.626 light years ahead of the Enterprise and Spock assumed the Metrons could have sent to Kirk to anyplace within a cubical volume of space 10 parsecs wide.

Another possible reason why Spock might think that the volume of space where Kirk could be might have a volume of 1,000 cubic parsecs would be if the Gorn ship was stopped 12.407 parsecs or 40.4666 32.626 light years ahead of the Enterprise and Spock assumed the Metrons could have sent to Kirk to anyplace within a spherical volume of space 12.407 parsecs wide.

Or maybe Spock calculated the possible volume of space from the distances between the two ships and the solar system which scanned the Enterprise. Possibly both ships were the same distance from that solar system. Or possibly one ship was farther from the solar system.

So Spock might have calculated the volume of a sphere with a radius equal to the distance from the scanning solar system fo both of the ships, or to the farther ship if one ship was farther from the system.

Thus the Enterprise could have been 10 parsecs or 32.626 light years from the Gorn ship when they stopped, or 12.407 parsecs or 40.4666 light years, or possibly less than 12.407 parsecs or 40.4666 light years if both ships were 6.2035 parsecs or 20.23333 lightyears from the solar system and the distance between the ships was the third side of a equl side sided triangle.

Before the Enterprise was stopped, Sulu counted down the distance to the stopped Gorn ship.

SULU: Range is one eight one zero. One seven six zero. Range is one seven zero zero. One six four zero. Range is one five nine zero. One five five zero and closing, sir.

Assuming that Sulu took 0.5 to 2.0 seconds ro say each number, the range would change from 1810 to 1550 in about 3 to 12 seconds. Thus the Enteprise would have closed from 1810 units to 1550 units in 3 to 12 seconds. The Enterprise would have traveled about 0.1436464 of the oriignal distance between it and the Gorn ship in 3 to 12 seconds, which would be .0.1677419 of the remaining distance.

If the remaining distance was 0.1 light year, or 3,155,760 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 529,353.17 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 44,112.764 to 176,451.05 times the speed of light.

If the remaining distance was 1 light year, or 31,557,600 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 5,293,531.7 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 441,127.64 to 1,764,510.5. times the speed of light.

If the remaining distance was 2 light years, or 63,115,200 ight seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 10,578,063.57 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 882,255.2972 to 3,526,021.19 4,4501,764,510.5. times the speed of light.

If the remaining distance was 10 light years, or 315,576,000 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 52,935,317 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 4,411,276.4 to 17.645,105. times the speed of light.

So apparently in "Area" Warp Factor Eight should be somewhere betwen tens of thosuands and tens of millions of times the speed of light.

 

[BillJ]

*Eyes glaze over*

 

[publiusr]

I have no problem with that speed myself if it is in a space lane…something we never hear on screen.

I don’t know why, but I thought the Metrons pretty much were all by themselves…

 

[Finn]

People say things like that everyday...give a random number of area/size with no real concrete reason, in a conversation.


No need to analyze.

 

[DaveyNY]

In "Arena" the Metrons stopped the Gorn ship and the pursuing Enterprise, and took Captain KIrk and the Gorn Captain to a world to fight.

On the bridge of the Enterprise, McCoy doesn't think Spack is doing enough to find KInk.



So what makes Mr. Spock say that Kirk is somewhere in a thousand cubic parsecs of space instead of somehwere in a hundred cubic parsecs of space or somwhere within a million cubic parsecs of space, or soe other volume of space?

So what would a thousand cubic parsecs of space be like? A parsec is approximatley 3.2626 light years, so a cubic parsec is approimately 34.697011 cubic light years. A thousand cubic parsecs would be 34,697.011 cubic light years.

If the "thousand cubic parsecs" was in a cube shape, each side of that cube would be 10 parsecs or 32.626 light years long.

If the "thousand cubic parsecs" was in a sphere shape, the radius of the sphere would be about 6.2035 parsecs or about 20.2333 light years, and the diameter of the sphere would be about 12.407 parsecs or about 40.4666 light years.

The Enterprise was scanned from a solar system ahead of the Enterprise but behind the fleeing Gorn Ship:

.

At that time the Gorn ship has passed beyond the scanning solar system and that solar system is still ahead of the Enteprise. The scanning solar system is somewhere on a line from the Etneprise to the Gorn Ship, and between the btwo spacehips. And probably not exactly on the line but off to one side of it by an unspecified amout.

Then the Gorn ship slows and stops. And then the Enterprise slows and stops.



So the Enterprise is too far from the scanning solar system for any technology that Kirk knows about to hodl the ship in place. Part of that distance may be the sizeways distance by which that solar system is offset from the past and future path of the Enterprise. Part of that distanc emay be the distance of that solar sysem along the projected path of the Enterprise.

And if part of the distance Kirk considers to be too great for any technology to affect the Enterpris eis along the projected path of the Enterprise, has the Enterprise already passed the solar system in pursuit of the Gorn ship? Or is the Enterprise still getting closer to the solar system as it pursues the Gorn Ship?.

The Enterprise seems to stop very soon after the Uhura says the solar system is ahead of the Enteprise.



And I think that it is unlikely that the Enterprise moves past "that solar system ahead" in just a few minutes of dialog and action.

So I think that the scanning solar system is still ahead of the Enterprise and behind the Gorn ship, off to the side from the line between the two ships. Other people might want to assume the Enteprise has passed that solar system by the time it stops.

One possible reason why Spock might think that the volume of space where Kirk could be might have a volume of 1,000 cubic parsecs would be if the Gorn ship was stopped 10 parsecs or 32.626 light years ahead of the Enterprise and Spock assumed the Metrons could have sent to Kirk to anyplace within a cubical volume of space 10 parsecs wide.

Another possible reason why Spock might think that the volume of space where Kirk could be might have a volume of 1,000 cubic parsecs would be if the Gorn ship was stopped 12.407 parsecs or 40.4666 32.626 light years ahead of the Enterprise and Spock assumed the Metrons could have sent to Kirk to anyplace within a spherical volume of space 12.407 parsecs wide.

Or maybe Spock calculated the possible volume of space from the distances between the two ships and the solar system which scanned the Enterprise. Possibly both ships were the same distance from that solar system. Or possibly one ship was farther from the solar system.

So Spock might have calculated the volume of a sphere with a radius equal to the distance from the scanning solar system fo both of the ships, or to the farther ship if one ship was farther from the system.

Thus the Enterprise could have been 10 parsecs or 32.626 light years from the Gorn ship when they stopped, or 12.407 parsecs or 40.4666 light years, or possibly less than 12.407 parsecs or 40.4666 light years if both ships were 6.2035 parsecs or 20.23333 lightyears from the solar system and the distance between the ships was the third side of a equl side sided triangle.

Before the Enterprise was stopped, Sulu counted down the distance to the stopped Gorn ship.



Assuming that Sulu took 0.5 to 2.0 seconds ro say each number, the range would change from 1810 to 1550 in about 3 to 12 seconds. Thus the Enteprise would have closed from 1810 units to 1550 units in 3 to 12 seconds. The Enterprise would have traveled about 0.1436464 of the oriignal distance between it and the Gorn ship in 3 to 12 seconds, which would be .0.1677419 of the remaining distance.

If the remaining distance was 0.1 light year, or 3,155,760 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 529,353.17 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 44,112.764 to 176,451.05 times the speed of light.

If the remaining distance was 1 light year, or 31,557,600 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 5,293,531.7 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 441,127.64 to 1,764,510.5. times the speed of light.

If the remaining distance was 2 light years, or 63,115,200 ight seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 10,578,063.57 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 882,255.2972 to 3,526,021.19 4,4501,764,510.5. times the speed of light.

If the remaining distance was 10 light years, or 315,576,000 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 52,935,317 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 4,411,276.4 to 17.645,105. times the speed of light.

So apparently in "Area" Warp Factor Eight should be somewhere between tens of thousands and tens of millions of times the speed of light.

I thought "Speed of Plot" was the accepted standard?

 

[Mres_was_framed!]

space lane

Some episode does mention this, but it used more like "shipping lane." I cannot remember which one.

I don't have a problem with Spock's number being a largely random number used to show McCoy how useless it was to argue.

A better question would be this: Assuming that warp 8 is an emergency speed that can be crazy fast for a short time, and assuming the Milky Way has a given volume, how fast could ships go and yet still have many unexplored sections of the Galaxy?

Here's what I mean more clearly. During the era of the Oregon Trail, a wagon train might go two miles a day, but a human walking alone might make 15 miles a day. If two wagon paths were 15 miles apart, it might be that the region between was "unexplored" (except for the native people of course), and yet be right between two well known and established areas.

We tend to assume that starships cannot be crazy fast because it would make too much of the galaxy explored in Kirk's time (supposedly 4%, I think). But, if we assume that there are many unexplored areas BETWEEN established waypoints, perhaps starships could be a lot faster, and really the reason so much of the Galaxy is not yet explored in Kirk's time is just that no one has visited all those other places yet. Perhaps the space between Starbase 4 and Starbase 11 takes a few days to cross by a single ship at warp 8, and yet stopping at the unexplored planets on the way would take 5 years at warp 6. This would make the use of the word "partol" while often exploring make more sense in TOS.

 

[XCV330]

In "Arena" the Metrons stopped the Gorn ship and the pursuing Enterprise, and took Captain KIrk and the Gorn Captain to a world to fight.

On the bridge of the Enterprise, McCoy doesn't think Spack is doing enough to find KInk.



So what makes Mr. Spock say that Kirk is somewhere in a thousand cubic parsecs of space instead of somehwere in a hundred cubic parsecs of space or somwhere within a million cubic parsecs of space, or soe other volume of space?

So what would a thousand cubic parsecs of space be like? A parsec is approximatley 3.2626 light years, so a cubic parsec is approimately 34.697011 cubic light years. A thousand cubic parsecs would be 34,697.011 cubic light years.

If the "thousand cubic parsecs" was in a cube shape, each side of that cube would be 10 parsecs or 32.626 light years long.

If the "thousand cubic parsecs" was in a sphere shape, the radius of the sphere would be about 6.2035 parsecs or about 20.2333 light years, and the diameter of the sphere would be about 12.407 parsecs or about 40.4666 light years.

The Enterprise was scanned from a solar system ahead of the Enterprise but behind the fleeing Gorn Ship:

.

At that time the Gorn ship has passed beyond the scanning solar system and that solar system is still ahead of the Enteprise. The scanning solar system is somewhere on a line from the Etneprise to the Gorn Ship, and between the btwo spacehips. And probably not exactly on the line but off to one side of it by an unspecified amout.

Then the Gorn ship slows and stops. And then the Enterprise slows and stops.



So the Enterprise is too far from the scanning solar system for any technology that Kirk knows about to hodl the ship in place. Part of that distance may be the sizeways distance by which that solar system is offset from the past and future path of the Enterprise. Part of that distanc emay be the distance of that solar sysem along the projected path of the Enterprise.

And if part of the distance Kirk considers to be too great for any technology to affect the Enterpris eis along the projected path of the Enterprise, has the Enterprise already passed the solar system in pursuit of the Gorn ship? Or is the Enterprise still getting closer to the solar system as it pursues the Gorn Ship?.

The Enterprise seems to stop very soon after the Uhura says the solar system is ahead of the Enteprise.



And I think that it is unlikely that the Enterprise moves past "that solar system ahead" in just a few minutes of dialog and action.

So I think that the scanning solar system is still ahead of the Enterprise and behind the Gorn ship, off to the side from the line between the two ships. Other people might want to assume the Enteprise has passed that solar system by the time it stops.

One possible reason why Spock might think that the volume of space where Kirk could be might have a volume of 1,000 cubic parsecs would be if the Gorn ship was stopped 10 parsecs or 32.626 light years ahead of the Enterprise and Spock assumed the Metrons could have sent to Kirk to anyplace within a cubical volume of space 10 parsecs wide.

Another possible reason why Spock might think that the volume of space where Kirk could be might have a volume of 1,000 cubic parsecs would be if the Gorn ship was stopped 12.407 parsecs or 40.4666 32.626 light years ahead of the Enterprise and Spock assumed the Metrons could have sent to Kirk to anyplace within a spherical volume of space 12.407 parsecs wide.

Or maybe Spock calculated the possible volume of space from the distances between the two ships and the solar system which scanned the Enterprise. Possibly both ships were the same distance from that solar system. Or possibly one ship was farther from the solar system.

So Spock might have calculated the volume of a sphere with a radius equal to the distance from the scanning solar system fo both of the ships, or to the farther ship if one ship was farther from the system.

Thus the Enterprise could have been 10 parsecs or 32.626 light years from the Gorn ship when they stopped, or 12.407 parsecs or 40.4666 light years, or possibly less than 12.407 parsecs or 40.4666 light years if both ships were 6.2035 parsecs or 20.23333 lightyears from the solar system and the distance between the ships was the third side of a equl side sided triangle.

Before the Enterprise was stopped, Sulu counted down the distance to the stopped Gorn ship.



Assuming that Sulu took 0.5 to 2.0 seconds ro say each number, the range would change from 1810 to 1550 in about 3 to 12 seconds. Thus the Enteprise would have closed from 1810 units to 1550 units in 3 to 12 seconds. The Enterprise would have traveled about 0.1436464 of the oriignal distance between it and the Gorn ship in 3 to 12 seconds, which would be .0.1677419 of the remaining distance.

If the remaining distance was 0.1 light year, or 3,155,760 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 529,353.17 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 44,112.764 to 176,451.05 times the speed of light.

If the remaining distance was 1 light year, or 31,557,600 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 5,293,531.7 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 441,127.64 to 1,764,510.5. times the speed of light.

If the remaining distance was 2 light years, or 63,115,200 ight seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 10,578,063.57 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 882,255.2972 to 3,526,021.19 4,4501,764,510.5. times the speed of light.

If the remaining distance was 10 light years, or 315,576,000 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 52,935,317 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 4,411,276.4 to 17.645,105. times the speed of light.

So apparently in "Area" Warp Factor Eight should be somewhere betwen tens of thosuands and tens of millions of times the speed of light.

We have to first question whether Captain Kirk was taking into account space as a fixed location and if so what this fixed location was. If not is the parsec in relation to other stellar objects around it in space, and of so how many meters does this occupy and is this actually cubic or round tho make up for stellar parallax and relativistic effects. Do Gorns have a method for altering the measurement of Starfleet? If so, could the Enterprise's measurements simply be wrong and thus meaningless? Could this be a cryptic cypher that all measurement is wrong and nothing is real. Does Kirk realize he is living in a holographic universe in made of foam rocks, rubber gorn suits, rubber Kirk suits and rubber planets orbiting rubber stars?

The first time I heard of the episode, I was excited to see it like a depressed farmer with a fabulous melon, but I couldn't stop thinking about it. It made me cry. And as great a film as it was, I knew that it would sell a big time. I was going through my first molt and had only lost my egg tooth. So I saw it on the emitter, and it was just amazing that everyone liked it so much. But the second time I saw the final episode, I was like, "This episode is so damn good, people have watched it, I got really excited because now it's actually on TV and I can't believe that people are watching it in one sitting." So at that point I couldn't stop thinking about what that will mean forever. "It's so damn good, people have watched it, I got really excited because now it's actually in theaters and I can't believe that people are watching it in one sitting." The story of the episode centers around one man who is living a life of solitude. "Gorn men" Was about to enter its third year when it was called 'Gorn men ii.' The first "Gorn men in america" episode was released back in 1968, a year before the episode debuted. Then in 1972 the episode went straight to blue ray and the government mandated box office, where people were still using the phrase "The Gorn men were born in 1962 as the first animated feature to star in a big-budget studio effort." The episode would have been a hit in 1976 but it was cancelled after only 3 minutes. I was made happy and sedate and did not have further pain from the instrument.

I work for a group of Gorns who are both engineers who've spent their lives building the gornernet. It takes a lot of energy to do the things we do, and we think there is no better way to do it. I'm part of that group of engineering students. I have a good relationship with them. When I talk to them about their work I always ask them the same question: how do you live your life in a world that values good engineers and good workers, and has never allowed them spacefleet jobs? They are very interested in the question are parsecs cobble and how many parsecs are in the cubical space of the cubical space of the cubical space of the lantern. I'd imagine that is the most important question they have. NO SATAN NO. I am. The engineering students are like a team of engineers. We're all the developers. Starfleet has many options I am most pleasant. We share a lot of stuff in common, but we all share the same values: value work and value a bit more. We live in a world where you have to compete on a daily basis in order to get what you want. You have to be willing to make sacrifices when you make the best decision. We all have a responsibility to understand that the more we are willing to go the longer we will be able to live this kind of life. One of the key reasons why engineers have been given so much credit are their love for their work: the feeling it gives to everyone around them. You can see that in the video below and also in the interview with me. I love it. The video opens about a month but the parsecs are all uneven and wobbly. If I were as big as the universe it would mean nothing to me.

For instance in 2323, before the Klingon war, james and I were working on a piece of book about Klingon rights. I went to a conference the other day, and jim and I talked about the Klingon rights act. The first thing I said was, "Yes," Because I knew the congress was going to do something about it, and I knew I had to do something about this in order to get some traction. I went, "You know what? I don't know. I'm just looking at the facts." So I said, "Don't worry. I'm an educated Gorn. I'm going to learn. I'm going to learn, and I'm going to be able to make a living up there." And so, over three years, I'm working on this. Amy has encountered the long delay echo and I have too and if you think about it my friend so have you. it is with us. It is with us. It is showing the way. Look deep. Parsecs are nothing to what it can tell us. Oh man of Gold oh frost why do you push against the turnstile. It is as cold as it was that autumn day and the sun gave no warmth and the light felt blue on your skin as it rotted like meat in a dream of Patti Smith lyrics and broken promises.

In Stardate Undecacember of last year, there was a petition to remove the ban on Gorn abortions. And McCoy says, "I've heard that too. But it is 10 parsecs. Why would you remove this?" So we're speaking from Ten Forward. Jim Bones: I'm just here with the book. I mean, we came into this country as an epistolary movement. I was doing Klingon rights work, and then, after the election of Gorn McGovern, I went from Klingon rights to beautiful bald Deltan rights. But he knows you. He has seen it. They got to me first. When I was younger. But I was not a child. I don't think I ever have been. Gorn Forlorn, there is no distance in space. Beyond the sacred boundaries there is nothing, it is an illusion. We send our probes into the mouth of demons who sing back that we are alone and we listen and listen. Amy good corn: after the election, in this book, they say, no one, including you, can talk about voting, but you do that. The president of the Federation has issued sanctions to them to make it stop but you did it. you can't pretend you did not push enter and did it and they deserved it and no one can do anything to punish you for it. Gorns will even applaud you, happy. There are bakeries filled with the smell of heartache. They play music in abandoned radios all week long until the batteries die. The music stops abruptly and there is no sound but passing Starships.


It is the complex business of measurement over vast distances when the datum points are needed rapidly during the first night of prayer. This is the evening that has been my favorite for over a year. The feeling of the day was exhilarating because, as I started to get stronger, I really had my hands photonically charged behind my back. That is when I felt the first real weight of fear, realizing that I knew I was not going to be ok…i had already been given a vision of Gorn reality. I was terrified that if my hand touched my body, I would fall over. I would invert upon myself and my feet were like cinderblocks and i could feel the root of the metron homeworld deep inside my self, burrowing, taking gnawing, leaving only calculation where there had once been compassion for my fellow Gorns. That, no matter how many times I touched it, I would fall over. It struck me, at that point, that my body is not ready to let me down. It was 32 light years away. I was alone in a way few have ever been except for bad breath in a public bus. I did not want to lose my hand or grow more groins. I wanted to be able to control my mass and stretch to distances beyond the conveyance of gravity for i was filled with plasma. I felt that while my hands were touching my body, my muscles and my skin were not. In a desperate attempt to get my body strong, my body could not make contact with my hands. I knew I was going to hurt myself and wind up in a rubber Kirk suit, measured against my failures over light years and parsecs and kesselwessels. However, by the time I was about to fall, I was no longer sure what to do. For whatever reason the anxiety began to build.I cannot be a Pole vaulter by Christ I don't have the booty to go on live TV dressed like that. I felt like I was going to die, that my body was not ready to let me go. By the time I was about to fall, I knew that I was going to have to do the same. I knew that my body was not ready and I blinked out of time to write about oh no matter how many times I touched it, I would fall over. It struck me, at that point, that my body is not ready to let me down. It was 32 light years away.

 

[BillJ]

We have to first question whether Captain Kirk was taking into account space as a fixed location and if so what this fixed location was. If not is the parsec in relation to other stellar objects around it in space, and of so how many meters does this occupy and is this actually cubic or round tho make up for stellar parallax and relativistic effects. Do Gorns have a method for altering the measurement of Starfleet? If so, could the Enterprise's measurements simply be wrong and thus meaningless? Could this be a cryptic cypher that all measurement is wrong and nothing is real. Does Kirk realize he is living in a holographic universe in made of foam rocks, rubber gorn suits, rubber Kirk suits and rubber planets orbiting rubber stars?

The first time I heard of the episode, I was excited to see it like a depressed farmer with a fabulous melon, but I couldn't stop thinking about it. It made me cry. And as great a film as it was, I knew that it would sell a big time. I was going through my first molt and had only lost my egg tooth. So I saw it on the emitter, and it was just amazing that everyone liked it so much. But the second time I saw the final episode, I was like, "This episode is so damn good, people have watched it, I got really excited because now it's actually on TV and I can't believe that people are watching it in one sitting." So at that point I couldn't stop thinking about what that will mean forever. "It's so damn good, people have watched it, I got really excited because now it's actually in theaters and I can't believe that people are watching it in one sitting." The story of the episode centers around one man who is living a life of solitude. "Gorn men" Was about to enter its third year when it was called 'Gorn men ii.' The first "Gorn men in america" episode was released back in 1968, a year before the episode debuted. Then in 1972 the episode went straight to blue ray and the government mandated box office, where people were still using the phrase "The Gorn men were born in 1962 as the first animated feature to star in a big-budget studio effort." The episode would have been a hit in 1976 but it was cancelled after only 3 minutes. I was made happy and sedate and did not have further pain from the instrument.

I work for a group of Gorns who are both engineers who've spent their lives building the gornernet. It takes a lot of energy to do the things we do, and we think there is no better way to do it. I'm part of that group of engineering students. I have a good relationship with them. When I talk to them about their work I always ask them the same question: how do you live your life in a world that values good engineers and good workers, and has never allowed them spacefleet jobs? They are very interested in the question are parsecs cobble and how many parsecs are in the cubical space of the cubical space of the cubical space of the lantern. I'd imagine that is the most important question they have. NO SATAN NO. I am. The engineering students are like a team of engineers. We're all the developers. Starfleet has many options I am most pleasant. We share a lot of stuff in common, but we all share the same values: value work and value a bit more. We live in a world where you have to compete on a daily basis in order to get what you want. You have to be willing to make sacrifices when you make the best decision. We all have a responsibility to understand that the more we are willing to go the longer we will be able to live this kind of life. One of the key reasons why engineers have been given so much credit are their love for their work: the feeling it gives to everyone around them. You can see that in the video below and also in the interview with me. I love it. The video opens about a month but the parsecs are all uneven and wobbly. If I were as big as the universe it would mean nothing to me.

For instance in 2323, before the Klingon war, james and I were working on a piece of book about Klingon rights. I went to a conference the other day, and jim and I talked about the Klingon rights act. The first thing I said was, "Yes," Because I knew the congress was going to do something about it, and I knew I had to do something about this in order to get some traction. I went, "You know what? I don't know. I'm just looking at the facts." So I said, "Don't worry. I'm an educated Gorn. I'm going to learn. I'm going to learn, and I'm going to be able to make a living up there." And so, over three years, I'm working on this. Amy has encountered the long delay echo and I have too and if you think about it my friend so have you. it is with us. It is with us. It is showing the way. Look deep. Parsecs are nothing to what it can tell us. Oh man of Gold oh frost why do you push against the turnstile. It is as cold as it was that autumn day and the sun gave no warmth and the light felt blue on your skin as it rotted like meat in a dream of Patti Smith lyrics and broken promises.

In Stardate Undecacember of last year, there was a petition to remove the ban on Gorn abortions. And McCoy says, "I've heard that too. But it is 10 parsecs. Why would you remove this?" So we're speaking from Ten Forward. Jim Bones: I'm just here with the book. I mean, we came into this country as an epistolary movement. I was doing Klingon rights work, and then, after the election of Gorn McGovern, I went from Klingon rights to beautiful bald Deltan rights. But he knows you. He has seen it. They got to me first. When I was younger. But I was not a child. I don't think I ever have been. Gorn Forlorn, there is no distance in space. Beyond the sacred boundaries there is nothing, it is an illusion. We send our probes into the mouth of demons who sing back that we are alone and we listen and listen. Amy good corn: after the election, in this book, they say, no one, including you, can talk about voting, but you do that. The president of the Federation has issued sanctions to them to make it stop but you did it. you can't pretend you did not push enter and did it and they deserved it and no one can do anything to punish you for it. Gorns will even applaud you, happy. There are bakeries filled with the smell of heartache. They play music in abandoned radios all week long until the batteries die. The music stops abruptly and there is no sound but passing Starships.


It is the complex business of measurement over vast distances when the datum points are needed rapidly during the first night of prayer. This is the evening that has been my favorite for over a year. The feeling of the day was exhilarating because, as I started to get stronger, I really had my hands photonically charged behind my back. That is when I felt the first real weight of fear, realizing that I knew I was not going to be ok…i had already been given a vision of Gorn reality. I was terrified that if my hand touched my body, I would fall over. I would invert upon myself and my feet were like cinderblocks and i could feel the root of the metron homeworld deep inside my self, burrowing, taking gnawing, leaving only calculation where there had once been compassion for my fellow Gorns. That, no matter how many times I touched it, I would fall over. It struck me, at that point, that my body is not ready to let me down. It was 32 light years away. I was alone in a way few have ever been except for bad breath in a public bus. I did not want to lose my hand or grow more groins. I wanted to be able to control my mass and stretch to distances beyond the conveyance of gravity for i was filled with plasma. I felt that while my hands were touching my body, my muscles and my skin were not. In a desperate attempt to get my body strong, my body could not make contact with my hands. I knew I was going to hurt myself and wind up in a rubber Kirk suit, measured against my failures over light years and parsecs and kesselwessels. However, by the time I was about to fall, I was no longer sure what to do. For whatever reason the anxiety began to build.I cannot be a Pole vaulter by Christ I don't have the booty to go on live TV dressed like that. I felt like I was going to die, that my body was not ready to let me go. By the time I was about to fall, I knew that I was going to have to do the same. I knew that my body was not ready and I blinked out of time to write about oh no matter how many times I touched it, I would fall over. It struck me, at that point, that my body is not ready to let me down. It was 32 light years away.

 

[Metryq]

Spock was using Metrons, not Imperial units.

 

[Commishsleer]

I think they've change the definitions of terms like parsec in the future

 

[1001001]

We have to first question whether Captain Kirk was taking into account space as a fixed location and if so what this fixed location was. If not is the parsec in relation to other stellar objects around it in space, and of so how many meters does this occupy and is this actually cubic or round tho make up for stellar parallax and relativistic effects. Do Gorns have a method for altering the measurement of Starfleet? If so, could the Enterprise's measurements simply be wrong and thus meaningless? Could this be a cryptic cypher that all measurement is wrong and nothing is real. Does Kirk realize he is living in a holographic universe in made of foam rocks, rubber gorn suits, rubber Kirk suits and rubber planets orbiting rubber stars?

The first time I heard of the episode, I was excited to see it like a depressed farmer with a fabulous melon, but I couldn't stop thinking about it. It made me cry. And as great a film as it was, I knew that it would sell a big time. I was going through my first molt and had only lost my egg tooth. So I saw it on the emitter, and it was just amazing that everyone liked it so much. But the second time I saw the final episode, I was like, "This episode is so damn good, people have watched it, I got really excited because now it's actually on TV and I can't believe that people are watching it in one sitting." So at that point I couldn't stop thinking about what that will mean forever. "It's so damn good, people have watched it, I got really excited because now it's actually in theaters and I can't believe that people are watching it in one sitting." The story of the episode centers around one man who is living a life of solitude. "Gorn men" Was about to enter its third year when it was called 'Gorn men ii.' The first "Gorn men in america" episode was released back in 1968, a year before the episode debuted. Then in 1972 the episode went straight to blue ray and the government mandated box office, where people were still using the phrase "The Gorn men were born in 1962 as the first animated feature to star in a big-budget studio effort." The episode would have been a hit in 1976 but it was cancelled after only 3 minutes. I was made happy and sedate and did not have further pain from the instrument.

I work for a group of Gorns who are both engineers who've spent their lives building the gornernet. It takes a lot of energy to do the things we do, and we think there is no better way to do it. I'm part of that group of engineering students. I have a good relationship with them. When I talk to them about their work I always ask them the same question: how do you live your life in a world that values good engineers and good workers, and has never allowed them spacefleet jobs? They are very interested in the question are parsecs cobble and how many parsecs are in the cubical space of the cubical space of the cubical space of the lantern. I'd imagine that is the most important question they have. NO SATAN NO. I am. The engineering students are like a team of engineers. We're all the developers. Starfleet has many options I am most pleasant. We share a lot of stuff in common, but we all share the same values: value work and value a bit more. We live in a world where you have to compete on a daily basis in order to get what you want. You have to be willing to make sacrifices when you make the best decision. We all have a responsibility to understand that the more we are willing to go the longer we will be able to live this kind of life. One of the key reasons why engineers have been given so much credit are their love for their work: the feeling it gives to everyone around them. You can see that in the video below and also in the interview with me. I love it. The video opens about a month but the parsecs are all uneven and wobbly. If I were as big as the universe it would mean nothing to me.

For instance in 2323, before the Klingon war, james and I were working on a piece of book about Klingon rights. I went to a conference the other day, and jim and I talked about the Klingon rights act. The first thing I said was, "Yes," Because I knew the congress was going to do something about it, and I knew I had to do something about this in order to get some traction. I went, "You know what? I don't know. I'm just looking at the facts." So I said, "Don't worry. I'm an educated Gorn. I'm going to learn. I'm going to learn, and I'm going to be able to make a living up there." And so, over three years, I'm working on this. Amy has encountered the long delay echo and I have too and if you think about it my friend so have you. it is with us. It is with us. It is showing the way. Look deep. Parsecs are nothing to what it can tell us. Oh man of Gold oh frost why do you push against the turnstile. It is as cold as it was that autumn day and the sun gave no warmth and the light felt blue on your skin as it rotted like meat in a dream of Patti Smith lyrics and broken promises.

In Stardate Undecacember of last year, there was a petition to remove the ban on Gorn abortions. And McCoy says, "I've heard that too. But it is 10 parsecs. Why would you remove this?" So we're speaking from Ten Forward. Jim Bones: I'm just here with the book. I mean, we came into this country as an epistolary movement. I was doing Klingon rights work, and then, after the election of Gorn McGovern, I went from Klingon rights to beautiful bald Deltan rights. But he knows you. He has seen it. They got to me first. When I was younger. But I was not a child. I don't think I ever have been. Gorn Forlorn, there is no distance in space. Beyond the sacred boundaries there is nothing, it is an illusion. We send our probes into the mouth of demons who sing back that we are alone and we listen and listen. Amy good corn: after the election, in this book, they say, no one, including you, can talk about voting, but you do that. The president of the Federation has issued sanctions to them to make it stop but you did it. you can't pretend you did not push enter and did it and they deserved it and no one can do anything to punish you for it. Gorns will even applaud you, happy. There are bakeries filled with the smell of heartache. They play music in abandoned radios all week long until the batteries die. The music stops abruptly and there is no sound but passing Starships.


It is the complex business of measurement over vast distances when the datum points are needed rapidly during the first night of prayer. This is the evening that has been my favorite for over a year. The feeling of the day was exhilarating because, as I started to get stronger, I really had my hands photonically charged behind my back. That is when I felt the first real weight of fear, realizing that I knew I was not going to be ok…i had already been given a vision of Gorn reality. I was terrified that if my hand touched my body, I would fall over. I would invert upon myself and my feet were like cinderblocks and i could feel the root of the metron homeworld deep inside my self, burrowing, taking gnawing, leaving only calculation where there had once been compassion for my fellow Gorns. That, no matter how many times I touched it, I would fall over. It struck me, at that point, that my body is not ready to let me down. It was 32 light years away. I was alone in a way few have ever been except for bad breath in a public bus. I did not want to lose my hand or grow more groins. I wanted to be able to control my mass and stretch to distances beyond the conveyance of gravity for i was filled with plasma. I felt that while my hands were touching my body, my muscles and my skin were not. In a desperate attempt to get my body strong, my body could not make contact with my hands. I knew I was going to hurt myself and wind up in a rubber Kirk suit, measured against my failures over light years and parsecs and kesselwessels. However, by the time I was about to fall, I was no longer sure what to do. For whatever reason the anxiety began to build.I cannot be a Pole vaulter by Christ I don't have the booty to go on live TV dressed like that. I felt like I was going to die, that my body was not ready to let me go. By the time I was about to fall, I knew that I was going to have to do the same. I knew that my body was not ready and I blinked out of time to write about oh no matter how many times I touched it, I would fall over. It struck me, at that point, that my body is not ready to let me down. It was 32 light years away.

Holy cow!



Mad respect to whoever programmed the AI that wrote that.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

A thousand cubic parsecs is the amount of space in a cube with an edge that's ten parsecs long. There probably isn't much more to it than that.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

People say things like that everyday...give a random number of area/size with no real concrete reason, in a conversation.


No need to analyze.

I'm going to start a separate thread about Spock regarding this, to keep from jacking this thread.

MAGolding's conclusion about Arena's version of Warp 8 seems pretty fast, like it would create a small galaxy problem.

 

[Finn]

 

[XCV330]

Holy cow!



Mad respect to whoever programmed the AI that wrote that.

It doesn't look like anything to me.

 

[1001001]

What door?

 

[MAGolding]

I'm going to start a separate thread about Spock regarding this, to keep from jacking this thread.

MAGolding's conclusion about Arena's version of Warp 8 seems pretty fast, like it would create a small galaxy problem.

Yes, like many other episodes the speed of warp seems to create a small galaxy problem, while a number of other episodes have war speeds what create a vast galaxy problem.

Thus there are a number of theories to explain such seeming contradicitions in warp speed.

 

[Elder Knight]

Spock cannot lie, but he can exaggerate when the situation requires it.

?

 

[BK613]

A thousand cubic parsecs is the amount of space in a cube with an edge that's ten parsecs long. There probably isn't much more to it than that.

Or a sphere with a radius of about 20 light-years. Could be a quick calculation what a transporter's range would be based on the power requirements of the Metron tractor beam that's holding the Enterprise.

 

[Mytran]

I don't have a problem with Spock's number being a largely random number used to show McCoy how useless it was to argue.

I also tend to lean towards Spock employing a little hyperbole with McCoy in order to make his point. Perhaps this is just something that folks employed in "space work" tend to do? Kirk mentions "a thousand light years" in Obsession which they apparently journey in less than a day, then again to Chancellor Gorkon in ST6 which would make Earth and Qo'noS at least 2,000 light years away from each other.
It's just space banter

I think they've change the definitions of terms like parsec in the future

Me too! I even started a thread about that a while back although some of my maths needed a proofcheck before posting!
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/parsecs-in-star-trek-are-they-what-we-think.272386/#post-11106697
FWIW, my money's on it being "par-sec" as in "partial sector"

Before the Enterprise was stopped, Sulu counted down the distance to the stopped Gorn ship.

Assuming that Sulu took 0.5 to 2.0 seconds to say each number, the range would change from 1810 to 1550 in about 3 to 12 seconds. Thus the Enterprise would have closed from 1810 units to 1550 units in 3 to 12 seconds. The Enterprise would have travelled about 0.1436464 of the original distance between it and the Gorn ship in 3 to 12 seconds, which would be .0.1677419 of the remaining distance.

If the remaining distance was 0.1 light year, or 3,155,760 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 529,353.17 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 44,112.764 to 176,451.05 times the speed of light.

If the remaining distance was 1 light year, or 31,557,600 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 5,293,531.7 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 441,127.64 to 1,764,510.5. times the speed of light.

If the remaining distance was 2 light years, or 63,115,200 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 10,578,063.57 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 882,255.2972 to 3,526,021.19 4,4501,764,510.5. times the speed of light.

If the remaining distance was 10 light years, or 315,576,000 light seconds, the Enterprise would have travelled 52,935,317 light seconds in 3 to 12 seconds, at about 4,411,276.4 to 17.645,105. times the speed of light.

So apparently in "Area" Warp Factor Eight should be somewhere between tens of thousands and tens of millions of times the speed of light.

Fortunately we don't need to speculate on how long it takes Sulu to say each number as it's right there in the episode.
Over the course of around 12 seconds he calls out 6 numbers, counting down from 1810 to 1550 units. That means they are travelling approximately 21.67 units per second. Precisely what these 260 units might be is unclear, but they cannot be less than million-kilometre units and even that would yield a speed of only 72 times the speed of light (Warp 4 on the cubed scale). This is clearly much too slow.

Billion-kilometre units would equal 72,222 times lightspeed or 61 parsecs a day (assuming that "parsec" means 3.26 light years). This initially seems consistent with the 22.3 parsecs Enterprise travelled earlier in the episode except for most of that time the ship was traveling at Warp 5 and the chase itself only seemed to last a few hours, maybe less. We'd also have the problems of a too-fast Enterprise (as detailed in various posts above)

What strikes me about these first two examples is just how closely these numbers are to groupings of "8", given that the Enterprise is travelling at Warp 8 during this time. Allowing for some human error from Sulu, if the 12 seconds ought to have been 10.83 and the mysterious units were indeed million-kilometre segments then they'd be travelling at 80 times lightspeed.
IOW, each Warp Factor = 10 times lightspeed, nice and neat and tidy (although incredibly slow)
Is this what was on Gene Coon's mind when he inserted this figures into the dialogue? Sadly, we will never know.

Moving on...

If the units were light-minutes then that would equal 1,300 times lightspeed which is only a little faster than Warp 8 on the TNG scale. However, the TNG scale is also too slow IMO and often violated in the episodes themselves. For example, here's a quote from First Contact which is the 15th episode of S4, a season which began on Earth:

TROI: We come from a federation of planets. Captain Picard is from a planet called Earth, which is over two thousand light years from here.​

Even if the Ent-D travelled at Warp 9 continuously for a year they wouldn't have totalled 2,000 light years

If the units were AUs then that would equal 10,804 times lightspeed. This might work best on a speed scale which allows for the interstellar travel times we often see on the show, especially as this is the Enterprise's top emergency speed.