What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Orphalesion]

Now it's Worf not wanting to talk about a terrible disease that affected a ton of Klingons and probably caused severe social rifts in his society. Hilarious. Plus, why wouldn't the other Starfleet officers know about this? At the very least, I'd expect them to learn about the augment virus and the state of Klingons, while preparing to go on-board the station.

Plus since it was only a century ago that Klingons looked like that and the Federation is a post Information-Age society, and has species that live well past 100 years of age (among them humans) or 200 years of age (Vulcans) ...it also seriously opens up plot holes about information archives, history and basic memory retention in the Federation.
There is no serious way that the Klingons actually looking like slightly harrier humans smeared with shoe paste in the 23rd century should be able to be a "secret" in the 24th century.

 

[fireproof78]

Plus since it was only a century ago that Klingons looked like that and the Federation is a post Information-Age society, and has species that live well past 100 years of age (among them humans) or 200 years of age (Vulcans) ...it also seriously opens up plot holes about information archives, history and basic memory retention in the Federation.
There is no serious way that the Klingons actually looking like slightly harrier humans smeared with shoe paste in the 23rd century should be able to be a "secret" in the 24th century.

Kirk's adventures alone would be written up and described with his various encounters with the Klingons.

 

[PCz911]

* This thread inspired me to take a quick dive at my local store (about 100m from my door) and get me some Westmalle ...just back ...

It’s a Very nice Belgian

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

There is no serious way that the Klingons actually looking like slightly harrier humans smeared with shoe paste in the 23rd century should be able to be a "secret" in the 24th century.

There's no serious way that the pon farr, which is experienced by every member of a Federation founding world, should be a secret. Star Trek's weird sometimes. Though if Worf knows then it can't be that much of a secret and Dax absolutely knows. I feel like this might be just be a gap in O'Brien and Bashir's knowledge specifically, which is strange but not inexplicable considering the sheer volume of weirdness that exists in their world. Or maybe they're just trolling Worf to get a reaction like they were in the teaser.

 

[Orphalesion]

There's no serious way that the pon farr, which is experienced by every member of a Federation founding world, should be a secret. Star Trek's weird sometimes. Though if Worf knows then it can't be that much of a secret and Dax absolutely knows. I feel like this might be just be a gap in O'Brien and Bashir's knowledge specifically, which is strange but not inexplicable considering the sheer volume of weirdness that exists in their world. Or maybe they're just trolling Worf to get a reaction like they were in the teaser.

But all of that is just so...wishy-washy, and I especially dislike retcons that rely on characters 1)being idiots and not having information they should clearly have or 2) pretend something when there's no point to it and both apply to this one. The easiest and most sensible explanation to me is that it was an out-of -universe joke for the long term fans, never intended to make any in-universe sense and no amount of "it's true from a certain point of view" will make it fit in my eyes, just like Cage!Pike saying "I can't get used to women on the bridge!". Sure it's possible to pretend he's a blabbering fool who said something that is completely insane in his society for some reason...but why?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

the suede wraparound that they gave Charlie Evans.

That was gorgeous.

Second season captain's wraparound for me, by the way.

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As for Picard's jacket and grey shirt, well, it was good that they tried (variety is good), but I didn't think it suited him, really. Also, the jacket was a bit too heavy, compared to the other uniforms.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

The easiest and most sensible explanation to me is that it was an out-of -universe joke for the long term fans, never intended to make any in-universe sense and no amount of "it's true from a certain point of view" will make it fit in my eyes, just like Cage!Pike saying "I can't get used to women on the bridge!". Sure it's possible to pretend he's a blabbering fool who said something that is completely insane in his society for some reason...but why?

Oh, I've got way to solve the 'can't get used to women' line as well! The Menagerie is the canon depiction of events and he never says the line in that.

 

[Farscape One]

Data is very extremely overrated.

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Data is very extremely overrated.

I like Data.

I would however say that Brent Spiner's ability to play roles in Star Trek other than Data/Lore/B4 are extremely overstated.

 

[Nyotarules]

I take back all past criticisms I have written on Picard's views on 21st century humans as savages...sadly, we are barbaric savages.

 

[cooleddie74]

B4 had more potential than Lore. Lore was hammy and could be creepy but he wasn't much more than "Evil Data."

B4 could have become something special had the TNG Movie Era continued.

 

[Orphalesion]

I take back all past criticisms I have written on Picard views on 21st century humans as savages...sadly, we are barbaric savages.

Lumping everybody in with the worst examples, regardless of individual character or merits is exactly the mistake Picard made though...let's not copy him in that regard.

 

[PCz911]

DeForest Kelley was the weakest actor of the big three. His acting in the movies is also the weakest of any of tos actors and STV is notable for being super cringeworthy.

On the plus side, from what I’ve read, he seems like an exceedingly pleasant fellow in real life.

 

[Orphalesion]

STV is notable for being super cringeworthy.

In his defence, STV was "Cringe:The Movie"

 

[at Quark's]

Data is very extremely overrated.

Better overrated than overclocked. You don't want him to suddenly give out in an emergency situation.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Who says he wasn't overclocked? I remember Tasha finding him extremely hot in one particular emergency.

 

[at Quark's]

Who says he wasn't overclocked? I remember Tasha finding him extremely hot in one particular emergency.

Not too hot though. He was still functional 'in every way'.

Though, even if not, there are reportedly worse ways to go. (It would have been interesting to see how early TNG would have covered this.)

 

[Nyotarules]

Oh, I've got way to solve the 'can't get used to women' line as well! The Menagerie is the canon depiction of events and he never says the line in that.

Or every century has a sexist or prejudiced character, no matter how culturally enlightened their society is.
e.g Pike, Archer, McCoy, Stiles, T'Pau, the parents of Spock's school bullies

 

[Vale]

They should have included a line after the final poker table scene in All Good Things:

<Picard>: I should have done this a long time ago
<Troi>: You were always welcome
PICARD: So. Five card stud, nothing wild, and the sky's the limit.
<screen fades out to black>
<Picard's voice>: Oh, and Data? Don't forget to activate your aging chip. There might be sequels.

They included a line in TNG: "Inheritance" that Data aged, but everyone (including Brent Spiner, it seems) missed it:

LAFORGE: Basically she's a Soong-type android, except everything about her is designed to fool you into thinking she's human.
CRUSHER: She's got tear ducts, sweat glands, even veins and capillaries underneath her skin.
RIKER: Why does the scanner read her as a human?
CRUSHER: Because she has a feedback processor designed to send out a false bio-signal.
LAFORGE: It's part of her aging program. Not only does she age in appearance like Data, her vital signs change too.

 

[at Quark's]

They included a line in TNG: "Inheritance" that Data aged, but everyone (including Brent Spiner, it seems) missed it:
LAFORGE: It's part of her aging program. Not only does she age in appearance like Data, her vital signs change too.

Nice find! Never picked up on that...