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There's one other thing I've run into in a few SFF books that kind of bugs me, when they throw around all sorts of made up terms and references without any kind of explanation for what they are. Often times you can figure things out from context, but there have a few times where even that doesn't work. I've run into a little of that with Neomancer, but it was so bad in The City & The City by China Mieville, that I finally just gave up after several chapters, I just couldn't figure out what the hell was going on.

I loved The City and The City and found that Mieville explained things pretty well. It's an odd concept, so it has to be clear what's going on, and for me, it was. There was a TV miniseries based on it that was pretty good, too.

If for Neomancer you mean Neuromancer, I seem to recall finding it easy enough to follow. A lot of cyberpunk liked to throw jargon at the reader but the point wasn't to be writing typical SF full of infodumps, it was more like writing a noir or hardboiled crime novel as if it came from that cyberpunk world. Things make sense as you go along. And Neuromancer is more accessible to the average reader than, say, Bruce Sterling's Schismatrix, or Rudy Rucker's phildickian/cyberpunk books based on principles of mathematics.

I am not really a fan of grimdark because i wasn't a goth or emo kid growing up :lol:.

What ever happened to lighter, less killjoy and more hopeful type of fantasy stories like those by David Eddings for example ?

I read Eddings's Belgariad, the original five book series, back as it was coming out. I liked the breeziness of it but didn't bother reading anything more by him because ultimately it felt too lightweight and derivative. Fun for a break from more serious stuff but not interesting enough in its own right to keep me reading more. Same experience as I'd had a few years earlier with Terry Brooks's Shannara. Loved the first book the first time I read it in '77, reread it maybe a year later and was less impressed, never read more. On the other hand, not long after that I read Lord Foul's Bane by Stephen Donaldson, the first of the Covenant books, and found it relentlessly grim and depressing, and didn't like it for that reason. Didn't finish the trilogy until several years later and only because so many people loved it so much I thought I must have been missing something. I needn't have bothered. Haven't read any more Donaldson.

Not sure I've read any of the current grimdark stuff because I don't tend to read modern fantasy. Some of Robert E. Howard's original Conan stories could be pretty grim and dark, and likewise some of Moorcock's Elric. Rereading those has been more of interest to me over the last few years than reading anything new in the genre. I've been meaning to get around to rereading Fritz Leiber's Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser books, though with my TBR piles that's not happening any time soon. But I like the old-fashioned approach of those three series. Short stories, some (usually) short novels, books you can dip in and out of, rather than an endless series of thousand-page books.

As for what I'm reading, I haven't been reading much serious SF in the last few years. Between my wife's death a couple years ago and the whole Covid thing, teleworking, etc, I just haven't had the concentration for too much more than stuff like Doctor Who and Star Trek books. But I did read and enjoy Emily St. John Mandel's Station Eleven, a different kind of post-apocalyptic novel. I'll start watching the TV version soon. I've also read Simon Stalenhag's illustrated books Tales From the Loop, Things From the Flood, Electric State, and The Labyrinth. Love the art and the stories are good, too. The Tales From the Loop TV series is outstanding.
 
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I read Eddings's Belgariad, the original five book series, back as it was coming out. I liked the breeziness of it but didn't bother reading anything more by him because ultimately it felt too lightweight and derivative. Fun for a break from more serious stuff but not interesting enough in its own right to keep me reading more. Same experience as I'd had a few years earlier with Terry Brooks's Shannara. Loved the first book the first time I read it in '77, reread it maybe a year later and was less impressed, never read more. On the other hand, not long after that I read Lord Foul's Bane by Stephen Donaldson, the first of the Covenant books, and found it relentlessly grim and depressing, and didn't like it for that reason. Didn't finish the trilogy until several years later and only because so many people loved it so much I thought I must have been missing something. I needn't have bothered. Haven't read any more Donaldson.

Not sure I've read any of the current grimdark stuff because I don't tend to read modern fantasy. Some of Robert E. Howard's original Conan stories could be pretty grim and dark, and likewise some of Moorcock's Elric. Rereading those has been more of interest to me over the last few years than reading anything new in the genre. I've been meaning to get around to rereading Fritz Leiber's Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser books, though with my TBR piles that's not happening any time soon. But I like the old-fashioned approach of those three series. Short stories, some (usually) short novels, books you can dip in and out of, rather than an endless series of thousand-page books.

As for what I'm reading, I haven't been reading much serious SF in the last few years. Between my wife's death a couple years ago and the whole Covid thing, teleworking, etc, I just haven't had the concentration for too much more than stuff like Doctor Who and Star Trek books. But I did read and enjoy Emily St. John Mandel's Station Eleven, a different kind of post-apocalyptic novel. I'll start watching the TV version soon. I've also read Simon Stalenhag's illustrated books Tales From the Loop, Things From the Flood, Electric State, and The Labyrinth. Love the art and the stories are good, too. The Tales From the Loop TV series is outstanding.

I am curious on what type of fantasy novels that you want to read in the future ? "Low fantasy" which is usually set in our world or "high fantasy" which is set in it's own world. Do you like magic to be used regularly or magic to be kept to a minimum in a fantasy setting?
 
When I was young, I loved any kind of fantasy. Chronicles of Narnia, Lord of the Rings, Conan, Elric, De Camp and Pratt's Compleat Enchanter, anything I could get my hands on. These days.... maybe New Weird type stuff, a little horror, and the occasional bit of old stuff. Endless high fantasy series I have no use for. Modern urban fantasy full of shifters, wizards, elves, vampires, and a million other impossible things at the same time all running around New York or London or Chicago, no thanks. But books that are harder to pin down as SF or fantasy or who knows what, like M. John Harrison's Viriconium, Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast, Jeff Vandermeer's Ambergris books, that sort of thing still intrigues me, so I'll probably read Susanna Clarke's Piranesi before too long.
 
I finished up Neuromancer a week or two agp, and despite my minor issues, I really enjoyed it overall. Reading it today, it's almost hard to believe it was written back in the '80s. Do any of the characters from this one show up in Count Zero?
I started my next Dresden Files book during the week, Cold Days, and I'm very curious to see where things go now that it looks like the changes brought about at the end of .... well, Changes will be sticking for a while. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned it before, but this is one of my absolute favorite series, it, Harry Potter, and Buffy the Vampire Slayer are the series that first got me into Urban Fantasy.
 
I liked Neuromancer a lot, but haven't read the others. I'm glad to hear it holds up well.

The Dresden Files books are so good! A friend got our whole group of friends to read them so she'd have people to talk to about them. :lol:

@JD have you tried Seanan McGuire's October Daye series? Another great urban fantasy series.

Then there's Charles Stross' Laundry Files. UK spy series meets Cthulhu Mythos. Funny and sometimes really chilling. I just got my hubby the newest book. I'm a few behind.
 
I have finished reading R.U.R. by Capek this week and have read The Door into Summer by Heinlein. Decided to read it because a film based on this book appeared on Netflix not long ago and I decided to read and watch :)
 
Never heard of either of those, so I looked them up on Goodreads and they sound interesting.
Amazon put the ebook version An Easy Death, the first book in Charlane Harris's Gunnie Rose series, on sale yesterday, so I got it. I enjoyed the first 3 or 4 Southern Vampire Mysteries, the books True Blood was based on, which were also written by Harris, and I've been curious to check this series out too. Honestly, this series sounds even more interesting than those were.
 
She is so funny in interviews. She sounds like my dearly departed grandmother--sweet, innocent style of speaking but with an underlying devilish charm.

I can't remember the details but I laughed so hard as she was telling funny stories about how her neighbours reacted when the HBO series was released and they realized the kind of stories she wrote.
 
Does anyone know a fantasy novel that is written like a thriller ?

Probably closest I own is Zelazny’s Amber books. Main character finds out someone tried to kill him, and revisiting that incident as new info is discovered among shifting alliances is part of the story that runs through the 5 (small by today’s standards) books. Main character is always wondering who he can trust and who’s ready to betray him to get ahead. And that’s his family.
 
R.F. Kuang, the author of the Poppy War trilogy, just announced her next book, Babel, and it sounds fascinating.
Cover copy:
1828. Robin Swift, orphaned by cholera in Canton, is brought to London by the mysterious Professor Lovell. There, he trains for years in Latin, Ancient Greek, and Chinese, all in preparation for the day he’ll enroll in Oxford University’s prestigious Royal Institute of Translation — also known as Babel.

Traduttore, traditore: An act of translation is always an act of betrayal.

Babel is the world’s center of translation and, more importantly, of silver-working: the art of manifesting the meaning lost in translation through enchanted silver bars, to magical effect. Silver-working has made the British Empire unparalleled in power, and Babel’s research in foreign languages serves the Empire’s quest to colonize everything it encounters.

Oxford, the city of dreaming spires, is a fairytale for Robin; a utopia dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge. But knowledge serves power, and for Robin, a Chinese boy raised in Britain, serving Babel inevitably means betraying his motherland. As his studies progress Robin finds himself caught between Babel and the shadowy Hermes Society, an organization dedicated to sabotaging the silver-working that supports imperial expansion. When Britain pursues an unjust war with China over silver and opium, Robin must decide: Can powerful institutions be changed from within, or does revolution always require violence? What is he willing to sacrifice to bring Babel down?
I haven't read the Poppy War books, but I have heard a lot good things about them.

Initially when you mention Canton, I was wondering Why Canton, Ohio would be in Sci Fi/Fantasy book. Then remembered Canton, China.
 
I can't remember what it was, but there was something I heard about that turned me off from reading his books a while back.
 
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heh, I did quite a few fake retro book covers myself.

I can't remember what it was, but there was something I heard about that turned me off from reading his books a while back.

Seemed like he thought he was above "fantasy" and had a pretty high opinion of himself from what I recall.

As for reading, I'm currently re-reading some old favorites that I haven't read in (shockingly enough) a couple (or more) decades. Books that I only really remember the broadest of broad strokes in regards to world, character and story. Been a little worried that I won't enjoy them as much as I once did. A couple of months back I finished the entire Barsoom and Amtor series by Burroughs. Still enjoyed the Barsoom books as I hadn't read any since early 80's. Was impressed with the level of world building and imagery. Went on to the Amtor series after that, didn't enjoy it as much as the Barsoom books though.

Currently re-reading The Lensman series, which I last read mid-80's or thereabouts. Finding that I'm enjoying it as much as I enjoyed the Barsoom books. Though I'm probably more disposed to older, more space opera type sci-fi.

Once I'm done with that series, I'll begin a read through of my favorite fantasy books, the books that make up Michael Moorcock's "Champion Eternal" cycle. Though for this particular read through, I'll be reading the stories in publication order and ending in the mid-70's with "Quest For Tanelorn" and omitting any material written after that. I want to read the tales in the order that I would've read them then had I been alive or aware of them. Though I would've been around nine or so when "Quest For Tanelorn" came out.

After that, I'll either re-start my "Middle Earth in in-universe order" or all the Elric books, including that last trilogy that I've yet to read. The Elric books are coming back in print and the first volume was released last week, with subsequent volumes being released over the next few months, culminating in a new Elric book in December called "The Citadel Of Forgotten Myths".

After that, well dunno. I'm not interested in modern fantasy where every series seems to be a million books that are each 2-3 inches thick with far too much emphasis on world building and twenty main characters. May revisit Corwin and Amber, Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, or Silver John again as well.
 
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