Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

[Ar-Pharazon]

Vessels like the "Nebula Class" have the StarDrive section block a giant chunk of the visibility of the Warp Nacelle Field grilles, yet it works just fine. Ergo needing absolute direct line of sight isn't necessary.

Just look at "The Phoenix", Zefram Cochranes Warp Prototype. No need for direct line of sight.

And the Borg doesn't need direct line of sight either.


As long as the Warp bubbles can grow and converge in 3D space, that's all that matters.
Hull or Super Structure getting in the way only hurts efficiency, but doesn't seem to stop operation.

Just look at the USS Voyager / Intrepid Class.

She was the fastest vessel of her day (Yes it was short lived, Prometheus Class took over).

But The Voyager's Warp Nacelles had the Warp Field Grilles aimed outwards, even with variable geometry, the Field grilles never pointed at each other, they were both canted to face outwards.

Doesn't mean the bubbles didn't grow outwards to meet each other, they obviously did.

Absolutely agree. That's why I called it "malarkey"

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Absolutely agree. That's why I called it "malarkey"

I'd like to call it Fudd and junk info.

 

[NCC-73515]

Voyager had to lift them up though, creating some kind of minimal line-of-sight XD
Wasn't a problem for Cardassians though... or the Klingon Negh'Var

 

[137th Gebirg]

Absolutely agree. That's why I called it "malarkey"

A couple of corrections on my part - Interestingly, according to this article, derived from a 2005 interview, the "LOS" thing came from Andrew Probert (along with a number of other such rules), and not Roddenberry (who had is own set of rules that emerged over the whole Technical Manual kerfuffle and the new ship arrangements from FJS in there). He also said it was "Warp nacelles must have at least 50% line of sight of each other across the hull" and not necessarily fully visible across from each other. I forgot about those little caveats. It's an interesting read, even if the whole "rules" thing has been generally retconned out of existence, for the most part, which I'm totally okay with.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

A couple of corrections on my part - Interestingly, according to this article, derived from a 2005 interview, the "LOS" thing came from Andrew Probert (along with a number of other such rules), and not Roddenberry (who had is own set of rules that emerged over the whole Technical Manual kerfuffle and the new ship arrangements from FJS in there). He also said it was "Warp nacelles must have at least 50% line of sight of each other across the hull" and not necessarily fully visible across from each other. I forgot about those little caveats. It's an interesting read, even if the whole "rules" thing has been generally retconned out of existence, for the most part, which I'm totally okay with.

The beauty is, every one of us could come up with a set of rules for fictional tech and it would make just as much sense.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

My rules works with all the various StarFleet & non-StarFleet FTL ships out there.

There are so many examples of vessels that break the "Line of Sight" or 50% "Line of Sight" rule that you need a whole new rule to make sense of it all.

 

[fireproof78]

The beauty is, every one of us could come up with a set of rules for fictional tech and it would make just as much sense.

Sweet! I look forward to your book "Stuff I just made up"

 

[Ronald Held]

None line of sight nacelles only decrease efficiency of powering the warp fields?

 

[137th Gebirg]

I suspect some folks might embrace that opinion. Fortunately, all starships of the 24th century and beyond had Primary and Secondary Unobtanium Framostats installed in all their warp cores, mitigating the need for LOS warp field configurations.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I suspect some folks might embrace that opinion. Fortunately, all starships of the 24th century and beyond had Primary and Secondary Unobtanium Framostats installed in all their warp cores, mitigating the need for LOS warp field configurations.

It's so much more complicated than that.

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[137th Gebirg]

Frakes should have gotten an Emmy for delivering that string of technobabble.

Puts any episode of Voyager to shame.

 

[Reanok]

That scene with Riker and the Ferengi is funny Thanks for posting it.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

It's so much more complicated than that.

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Love that scene. In fact, the Ontarian manifold inspired my Location.

 

[Tuskin38]

As I mentioned several pages ago, the full saucer version of the Wallenberg inspired the saucer on STO Shenzhou Class, here's a picture of it for you to compare

https://twitter.com/Cryptic_TtC/status/1490588665457754113

 

[StewMc]

Probably why they didn’t go with that storyline. Didn’t make the foggiest bit of sense. Very surprised, however, that they went so far with it that they actually had CG scenes already rendered (and shown in the trailers) before dropping the scene.

I was just rewatching "Remembrance" there, and noticed two things about the woman interviewing Picard at the start: when she is recapping what happened at Utopia Planitia, almost the entire thing is voiceover. There's even a weird shot where her hand waves to display a bit of footage of the attack and you can't see her face. Didn't think anything of it at the time but it sticks out like a sore thumb when you realise that they obviously had to redub her lines when they changed the storyline. They still talk on screen about synthetics being banned and Picard mentions they don't know what caused them to go rogue. Makes me wonder exactly what the original storyline was.

The other thing is the line about the anniversary of the Romulan Supernova is also said off camera, and there's a two shot of the interviewer and Picard where he says "I thought we were here to talk about a supernova" and I'd swear that his lips don't quite match up with the word supernova. Or maybe I'm just imagining it. But that would tie in with what F. King Daniel mentioned.

Come to think about it, Laris and Zhaban also seem in quite high spirits considering Picard is on his way to talk about the complete destruction of their homeworld. What would the interview have been about if it wasn't going to be the supernova originally?

 

[137th Gebirg]

Quite possibly. Good hypothesis. I have S1 on BRD somewhere. I'll have to dig it out to see if there are any deleted scenes or something mentioned in the commentary about it.

 

[Tuskin38]

"I thought we were here to talk about a supernova"

When he says 'a Supernova' it sounds spliced in. It's a completely different tone and volume than the rest of the sentence.

It could be related, or maybe it didn't come out clearly and had to be redone.

The original story of the Romulans attacking Mars, would make the plot point about opposition to helping the empire make a bit more sense.

 

[Reanok]

Denise Okuda is working on Star Trek Picard I saw it was posted by her husband Micheal. He posted a photo of her on the Picard set on Twitter.

 

[Tuskin38]

Denise Okuda is working on Star Trek Picard I saw it was posted by her husband Micheal. He posted a photo of her on the Picard set on Twitter.

She was talking with another TNG/ENT era Trek alumni too

https://twitter.com/MikeOkuda/status/1492585448857763841
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Ben_Betts?so=search

 

[Reanok]

Thanks for posting the picture I'm glad to see Tng/ENT Trek era alumni working on Star Trek Picard.