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Spoilers Book of Boba Fett [Spoiler Discussion]

I'm still firmly on the side of those who think it's a terrible idea Luke should've left in the past.

Ok, so what's the alternative? It's easy to say "Don't do that!" But what model should the Jedi follow instead?

Keep in mind, they aren't cops, they aren't nurses. They are priests. They serve a god, whether in the Force or the notion of life itself, that they are asked to put first in all things. It's why they aren't just ordinary people with superpowers. They've vowed to live their life differently in pursuit of serving others.

And love is totally acceptable, by the by. Obi-wan loved Satine. He recognized that his calling was elsewhere and he sacrificed for that calling, but he still loved her. And his ability to accept her death when Maul killed her, to still grieve, still feel loss, but not be consumed by it is pretty much the quintessential application of the principle. He serves a higher purpose than himself.

Edit: Much more alarming to me is the fact that Luke seems to be adopting the PT Jedi approach towards monasticism and isolation. This isn't BoBF's fault, that goes back to TFA and TLJ. But that's the real failing of the PT Jedi Order. Separating themselves from those they serve, disconnecting not from individuals but from society as a whole. Cloistering. That inward looking, dogmatic worldview that left Sidious to plot and scheme while the Jedi failed to notice. Jedi shouldn't be trained at schools or academy's. They should be trained on the streets and spaceways, amongst those they are being asked to serve and sacrifice for.
 
I'm still firmly on the side of those who think it's a terrible idea Luke should've left in the past.
Can you give a cogent reason beyond "coz it's dumb and I don't like it"? If not, then while you're certainly entitled to your opinion, it's not immune from being objectively incorrect. Which it is.
 
Ok, so what's the alternative? It's easy to say "Don't do that!" But what model should the Jedi follow instead?

Keep in mind, they aren't cops, they aren't nurses. They are priests.

Exactly. The alternative is: they're ministers. Or rabbis. Whichever priest variant you prefer who's allowed to have regular relationships including romance and family (and thus seems to have much less...public relations issues with a statistically significant number of their...shepherds).

Can you give a cogent reason beyond "coz it's dumb and I don't like it"? If not, then while you're certainly entitled to your opinion, it's not immune from being objectively incorrect. Which it is.

It's "objectively incorrect" to disagree with a random tenant of a made up religious order? Ok.......
 
A theory is that the symbol on the Temple wall connects to Barriss Offee, who would have been put on trial and expelled from the Jedi Order not long before the events of ROTS. She might have been there during Order 66, I'm guessing the theory goes.
Her symbol was a vagina?
 
Obi-wan also admitted that if she had asked, he would have left the Jedi Order to be with her. He was willing to form that attachment, and knew that he would need to leave the Order over it. But Satine would also be in an awkward position of basically having a "former" Jedi as her consort, on Mandalor While her enemies among the old traditionalist might not grow, they might be more forward with the Duchess having a JEDI on their planet.
 
Can you give a cogent reason beyond "coz it's dumb and I don't like it"? If not, then while you're certainly entitled to your opinion, it's not immune from being objectively incorrect. Which it is.
How about: The Jedi Way appears to be based on Buddhist concepts of non-attachment, which don't preclude Tibetans (among many others) from having families and caring about them. One can care about people without becoming obsessed with them above all else.
Loved the episode though I was sad to see the marshal go. But I figured he had no chance against Cad Bane(nice to finally see the live action version of this character).
Personally, I wouldn't have cast Timothy Oliphant only to have him blown away by a CGI cowboy. He was hit in the shoulder and the bystanders immediately called for medical supplies. The entire scene was basically about bringing the people of Freedom in as foot soldiers for the final showdown. If the sheriff's killed like that it sort of deflates the concept.
 
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How about: The Jedi Way appears to be based on Buddhist concepts of non-attachment, which don't preclude Tibetans (among many others) from having families and caring about them. One can care about people without becoming obsessed with them above all else.
False equivalence. They're not just average, ordinary people who happen to hold to a certain philosophy and set of beliefs. They're a specialised order of monks dedicated (in theory) to serving the people of the Republic, and the way they do that is by tapping into THE primordial force of the universe. That gives them extraordinary power and influence, so it *really* matters how they conduct themselves.
It's hardly unusual for a priesthood to be forbidden to marry or have children since they're expected to put their duty to serving others above all else. Again: it's not an obligation, it's a choice. But that choice comes with responsibilities and sacrifice.

You know what happens when Jedi decide "why shouldn't I have what I want AND the force too?" The Sith Order is what happened.
 
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False equivalence. They're not just average, ordinary people who happen to hold to a certain philosophy and set of beliefs. They're a specialised order of monks dedicated (in theory) to serving the people of the Republic, and the way they do that is by tapping into THE primordial force of the universe. That gives them extraordinary power and influence, so it *really* matters how they conduct themselves.
It's hardly unusual for a priesthood to be forbidden to marry or have children since they're expected to put their duty to serving others above all else. Again: it's not an obligation, it's a choice. But that choice comes with responsibilities.

Catholics think the same thing. How's that worked out for them and their victims?
 
So, have we talked yet about how this episode is the basically the entirety of the Star Wars Multimedia Empire?

PT: Ahsoka, Cad Bane, Grogu's Order 66 flashback.
OT: Luke, R2
ST: Luke's academy

Film: Luke
Cartoon: Ahsoka, Cad Bane
TV: Din, Fennec
Comics: Krrsantan
Novels: Cobb Vanth

All we're really missing is the video games, and those got a callout last week with Peli's BD droid.

I said that from the beginning. F&F have been treating this as a tribute. And there are probably video game elements in there. They have also put in toys from bitd. That stormtrooper transport in The Mandalorian was a toy.
 
To add to the discussion regarding Jedi...

I don't think they were originally supposed to be to super good hero type. They evolved into that through the films, but that was because of Luke in a New Hope. he was the good guy, but he wasn't a Jedi at that time, but we view as being one.

When Lucas interviewed Filoni for the job of making the animated shows, Lucas explained what a Jedi was. One example he said was that if a jedi was sitting at a table and negotiating with someone, they would pull out their lightsaber and place it on the table as an intimidation tactic. Now the Jedi may be for fighting against oppression, which is good, but they really didn't have any qualms about doing what needed to be done.

When Luke was being messed with at the cantina, Obi-wan cut off the dudes arm and looked around the room as if to say, "don't fuck with us, or this is what you'll get." He could have force pushed or force choked the guy a bit, but no he cut off a limb without even thinking about it.

I would prefer if they stayed that way, but the good vs evil fight does well on the big screen of course.
 
Catholics think the same thing. How's that worked out for them and their victims?
First off, you're talking to an atheist who's general opinion of organised religion is fairly low to begin with.
Secondly; not to get off topic, but I don't think one can seriously credit not letting priests marry as the root cause of what you're alluding to. It's reductive and an insult to said victims to claim as such when the real cause is hypocrisy, corruption, and institutional self-interest. And let's not get hyperbolic and remember that we're talking about fictional space wizards. :rolleyes:

All that said it doesn't change the salient point that I was responding to regarding what is and is not unheard of, or even common in religious orders in general, and monastic ones in particular.
 
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Just watched episode 6 of this... I think if 5 and 6 had formed the first two episodes of The Mandalorian Season 3 I would have been fine with it, but they've sidelined Boba Fett for a third of his inaugural season now.

Honestly, I'm not the target audience. I like the original trilogy but I'm of the opinion that the Star Wars franchise has been rudderless since 1999. I'll finish off Season 1 of Boba and I'm invested in The Mandalorian enough to watch Season 3, but I can't imagine I'll watch Obi-Wan or any of the other shows that are coming.

If I'm going to get flamed, so be it, but six episodes in and The Book of Boba Fett has nothing to say. It's a gauche Easter Egg dispensary that exists purely to scratch a fan service itch whilst riffing off the same vapid 'Sergio Leone In Space' schtick that The Mandalorian has been emptily running with for two seasons. I wish Fett had stayed dead in the Sarlacc Pit.

I want to add, this is only my two-penneth. I'm happy if others are enjoying this and long may there be Star Wars shows if that's what those more invested than me want. It's just not for me.
 
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It's sad that one would feel the need to be so conciliatory about disliking something.

I believe in civility over hyperbole. I'm aware that this thread is most likely full of folks who like the show and Star Wars in general. I just felt a need to vent my frustration with the show, but I've no intention of getting into an argument with anyone or ruffling any feathers.

I watched the original trilogy a few weeks ago after not having seen them for 10 years with my wife (who had never seen them). Still great movies, but really for me that's where Star Wars both begins and ends.

Anyway, no-one wants me casting a raincloud in this thread anymore I imagine, so it's been short, it's been sweet and over and out from me.

:beer:
 
I think this is definitely the point where you can make an informed decision whether it's your kind of series or not. Personally if I'd made it this close to the finale of a series I didn't like I'd stick with it just to get some closure, but it is definitely going to be more of the same.
 
Oh, I’ll watch the end of it.

I haven’t hated it as such, but I won’t be in for Season 2 unless I hear some amazeballs things.

I’ll say one thing, the de-aged Luke is really good! Still 0.00001% in the uncanny valley, but still quite the achievement.
 
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Luke's hair seemed wrong. Other than that, that deepfake tech is kinda scary in what it can do. You can never be sure again, watching a political speech on TV or what not, if you are seeing a real person or a perfect imposter.

There was an 80's movie about something like this starring Susan Dey, but can't remember the name of it.

EDIT: Googled it. It was Looker, based on a book by Michael Crichton.
 
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Other than that, that deepfake tech is kinda scary in what it can do. You

Me and my wife literally were just discussing that.

I do. It's nice not to feel alone in my opinions that the current output is not the greatest Star Wars of all time.

Oh you. Unfortunately I’m not invested enough in Star Wars to get into a back and forth about it. Never read a comic or novel, so even big black Wookiee and blue cowboy went over my head until I googled them.

I think the truth is, without taking expanded media into account, that Fett isn’t much of a character. He’s an icon alright, but as a character he’s a faceless stoic Bounty Hunter and… well, that’s what The Mandalorian is about, right down to having 90% similar armour.

So to do a Boba Fett show, you have to do something other than what the parent show did and that means distorting what little character Fett has into something unrecognisable.

‘Cause you see, he may have accepted coin personally from Vader and worked willingly with the likes of the Empire and Jabba, but actually he’s one hell of a sensitive guy who protects the rights of indigenous minorities and rushes an injured lady to a clinic for non-consensual cybernetic enhancement… Because he can embrace the power of change!

And I’m really out now before I get mobbed!

#NotMyBoba

#Sarlacc4eva

:-D
 
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