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Spoilers Book of Boba Fett [Spoiler Discussion]

I am disappointed Luke is still dialed into the "no emotional attachments" rule that clearly helped lead his father down the path of sadness and loss. I get why the Jedi imposed that rule from an intellectual standpoint but had they not made love and attachment such a red mark on a Knight's or Padawan's career and allowed individuals to feel love and simply use the Force to guide how they governed said attachment then maybe Anakin would have been much harder to sway to the Dark Side.

Because Anakin and Padmé had to hide their feelings for one another and later on live their marriage underground that added a layer of paranoia and mistrust to Anakin's life that just aided Palpatine in leading him down the path he wanted.
 
cooleddie74 said:
I am disappointed Luke is still dialed into the "no emotional attachments" rule that clearly helped lead his father down the path of sadness and loss.
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Grogu is his first student. We don't know if he'll stick to that idea.

Ben had attachments. But that could be chalked up because he was several years old before Luke formed his academy.
 
Ahsoka returning to tell Luke that strict rules forbidding love and attachment helped turn his father into a Sith Lord would be a wonderful moment between the two. Ahsoka saw what the Jedi Code required of her own Master and it was too much for him.
 
Yeah. I was hoping Luke would be more like his EU counterpart. It made the character more interesting
 
Wow, I don't remember the last time I actually went "Oh, Fuck!" watching something. They've certainly done a great jobs keeping a lid on the leaks.

I do wonder if Temuera Morrison feels that he got sandbagged a bit with this series.
 
A truly great episode. It seems like maybe they have more shows ready to go, hence the guest appearances.

Boba Fett was a different kind of show from the start, what with the flashbacks, so I'm really not bovvered by the side stories...if they really are side stories and we don't end up seeing more of those characters come to Boba's & Mando's aid.

It's really starting to feel like I missed a helluva lot not having seen the animated series'.
 
Ar-Pharazon said:
How many are there? I'll have to make some time.
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Clone Wars, Bad Batch, Rebels and Resistance.

Clone Wars and Rebels IMO are the most important here. Ahsoka is one of the stars of Clone Wars, and shows up quite a bit in Rebels. Clone Wars is also important for Cad Bane, as that is where he originates from. Bane also shows up in a couple episodes of Bad Batch.

Resistance is set directly before, and during the sequels, so it's not important for Mando/Boba. But I thought it was an enjoyable series overall.
 
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Wild speculation: we aren't done with Grogu's Clone War flashback, we will see more next episode where he gets saved by Mace. Boba Fett season 2 set up.

cooleddie74 said:
Vader or an Inquisitor might someday manage to locate him. Being defenselss except for Force powers might not be a good idea.
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Wasn't there something in the old EU about Yoda killing a dark jedi on dagobah which is why there is a "dark side" area?

Ar-Pharazon said:
It's really starting to feel like I missed a helluva lot not having seen the animated series'.
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Considering where Mando season 2 went I'd have to say yeah.
 
Is it weird that the reunion that I was most excited about was Ahsoka and R2?

Honestly if I saw this cast list even 5 years ago I would have dismissed it as fanwank nonsense, but Filloni is just the right kind of crazy to actually pull it off and pull it off well! I wish I'd been surprised by Cad Bane, but twitter trends rather spoiled it. Oh well. Still honestly didn't expect them to introduce him, but then I didn't expect these last two episodes to be quite so divergent, and thought there'd be a lot more veteran bounty hunter recruiting and a lot less Jedi.

Speaking of which, the face replacement is MUCH better this time around, though the voice processing still makes it feel a little off. Not that I'm complaining or anything.

Unless I am very much mistaken, those clones weren't being voiced by Morrison. I'm pretty sure it was Dee Bradley Baker! And yeah, that Jedi did look an awful lot like Cin Drallig, which would be a little bit of a continuity problem. Which also counts for Yoda's lightsaber, though I'm not massively bothered by it.

Oh and since there's been some talk on the subject, I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding here about Jedi and attachments. First off: forbidding attachment wasn't a mistake of the Jedi, nor did it cause their downfall. Indeed the exact opposite is true, because it was Anakin's inability to let go of his attachments that led him down the dark path. He couldn't let go of his mother, and he couldn't let go of Padme, and the fear of loss is what led him to selfish possessiveness. Where the Jedi Order failed was in it's dogmatic complacency and arrogance.

Secondly; attachment in this context isn't a synonym for "people you care about". It means being ruled by the need to "have" such people, and more to the point, keep them. An unattached Jedi can have friends, even family. What matters is that they are able to let go of them when the time comes, that they are able to put the needs of others before their own. To be a Jedi, is to be selfless.
So yes, Luke and Ahsoka are right in what they say.
 
cooleddie74 said:
I am disappointed Luke is still dialed into the "no emotional attachments" rule that clearly helped lead his father down the path of sadness and loss. I get why the Jedi imposed that rule from an intellectual standpoint but had they not made love and attachment such a red mark on a Knight's or Padawan's career and allowed individuals to feel love and simply use the Force to guide how they governed said attachment then maybe Anakin would have been much harder to sway to the Dark Side.

Because Anakin and Padmé had to hide their feelings for one another and later on live their marriage underground that added a layer of paranoia and mistrust to Anakin's life that just aided Palpatine in leading him down the path he wanted.
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THIS. This was probably the biggest disappointment in a terrible episode.

I think literally everyone assumed Luke would start a newer, better Jedi order, freed from the dumb rules that kept the Jedi emotionally constipated and contributed to their downfall. Luke, after all, was the kid who led with his heart and whose compassion is what saved Vader and, by extension, the galaxy.

To have Luke spouting off the same AOTC-era bullshit was heart-breaking and showed a shocking (but not unpredictable) lack of vision from Favreau.

This show is one of the worst pieces of Star Wars storytelling in existence.
 
Reverend said:
Secondly; attachment in this context isn't a synonym for "people you care about". It means being ruled by the need to "have" such people, and more to the point, keep them. An unattached Jedi can have friends, even family. What matters is that they are able to let go of them when the time comes, that they are able to put the needs of others before their own. To be a Jedi, is to be selfless.
So yes, Luke and Ahsoka are right in what they say.
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I don't see why Mando can't even come by and say hi for a couple of hours then.
 
cooleddie74 said:
I'm glad Yoda's lightsaber went with him to Dagobah. One of the old Visual Guides showed that he kept it inside his hut but then a later source retconned that and indicated he didn't bring the weapon with him into exile. It would only make sense. He was a warrior during the Clone Wars and the Emperor, Vader or an Inquisitor might someday manage to locate him. Being defenselss except for Force powers might not be a good idea.
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Yoda should be beyond the need for a saber. Frankly, he always should have been. Giving him a saber in the PT was a horrible idea.
 
I'm a little surprised to see so much dislike for Luke's actions here. But I think a lot of you are missing the larger takeaway of that story, so maybe not as surprising.

Yes, Luke is keeping to Jedi teaching on attachments. But he's not saying they are bad, just that you have to be willing to let go and put other things first.

But, and this is far, far more important and the way in which Luke breaks from the old Jedi order, Luke is offering Grogu an explicit choice. Grogu isn't being indoctrinated in the Jedi's dogma and being told it's the only way forward for him. Luke is explaining to him the costs and sacrifices of being a Jedi, showing him the potential benefits of same, and then saying "What path do you want to walk? If you can't let go of your attachment to Din Djarin, that's ok and you can go and be with him and I'll back that journey." Anakin never had that degree of support and understanding from the Jedi Order, even if the core choice was implicitly still present.

I honestly thought this was quite beautiful. Luke, like Din, truly wants what is best for Grogu. He would love to train Grogu to be a Jedi, and he clearly has the sentimental connection via being Yoda's species. But Luke is willing to let go of that and allow Grogu to walk the path that he chooses, without shame or guilt.
 
cooleddie74 said:
I am disappointed Luke is still dialed into the "no emotional attachments" rule that clearly helped lead his father down the path of sadness and loss. I get why the Jedi imposed that rule from an intellectual standpoint but had they not made love and attachment such a red mark on a Knight's or Padawan's career and allowed individuals to feel love and simply use the Force to guide how they governed said attachment then maybe Anakin would have been much harder to sway to the Dark Side.
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cooleddie74 said:
Ahsoka returning to tell Luke that strict rules forbidding love and attachment helped turn his father into a Sith Lord would be a wonderful moment between the two. Ahsoka saw what the Jedi Code required of her own Master and it was too much for him.
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Ahsoka had the same attitude when she showed up in the Mandalorian so it's no surprise. Quite honestly the Jedi are slowly not being shown to be the heroes of this story. It's frustrating.
Crewman6 said:
Yoda should be beyond the need for a saber. Frankly, he always should have been. Giving him a saber in the PT was a horrible idea.
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Agreed. His Force pushing the Royal Guards was the best of his demonstration of combat ability. Then he goes in to lightsaber mode, missing the whole point.
 
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