How can future shows retcon the errors of Star Trek Picard?
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Yeah... that hasn’t been the way the real world has worked up to this point.
The UFP / StarFleet isn't the real world.
Things don't always operate the way it seems to work in our world.
Things can be very different in that world.
They don't have a traditional money system or a traditional economy.
That's a small #, even Julian Bashir thinks it takes alot more people to collude so they can secretly infect Odo.
Oh, this is pretend fascism!
Then maybe in this world trust and privacy actually mean something.
Again, what does a form of government have to do with a security protocol used to validate employment?
Depends on the person and whom you're dealing with.
Trust isn't handed out cheaply like free trinkets and baubles.
It is in Star Trek. That's the whole point. A society built upon mutual trust and cooperation, celebrating differences not spying on each other to make sure someone is telling the truth. I believe the Romulans are better suited to that.
It is. It's security in the name of protecting each other from themselves. It's rather ill suited to Star Trek.
Somehow I doubt that.
The UFP / StarFleet have been betrayed by those who snuck into their ranks.
They're ANGRY. They're going to do something about it.
You don't think StarFleet / UFP don't have their own intelligence agencies that are spying on things internally and externally?
So what do you suggest that StarFleet / UFP do when they get betrayed.
Just say "Aw Shucks, you got me" and let them go?
What's your solution to traitors like: "Selok, Commodore Oh, Rizzo"?
Ah, revenge. So evolved. Love it.
Sorry, I'm not a telepath or evolved enough to know the answer to that. You seemed to have it all figured out in terms of the tech and I have no doubt it will never, ever, be abused.
If it is make believe, maybe we should make it a society we actually want to live in, not a nightmare dystopia where people’s deepest thoughts and beliefs are used against them?
Indeed. There is a massive difference between a background, i.e. verifying employment, and scanning a person's mind to hear their actual thoughts. One is understandable; the other is unrestricted access to a person's very being. It violates privacy in a way that is supremely unnerving. That all members of Starfleet would be required to be subjected to this prior to joining would basically make them no longer private citizens, as their very lives are put on display for review, including their thoughts, in order to serve the Federation and explore new worlds.
Well, what do you plan on doing once it has happened?
What's your solution?
Then what's your practical solution to prevent it from happening again?
You seem to know the answers.
What can you do to prevent those incidents from ever happening ever again?
I told you, it doesn't affect the average citizen in most cases.
Most people don't care about working for the Government or StarFleet.
So they'll never have to worry about getting a security clearance.
If you want to do important work, background checks are necessary. And every tool will be used to validate claimed things.
It's part of the price you pay for working for the UFP Government / StarFleet along with any rewards that come from honorably serving within it after you retire from the service.
The US military has their own seperate Tribunal System.
StarFleet has a similar thing where they have their own Court Systems.
Everybody who joins the Government / UFP has to be willing to give something up to be part of their ranks.
That's part of the deal.
I didn't claim anything of the sort. I simply know that subject personal citizens to mind scans and invading their privacy is unethical and disrespectful, to my mind. But, the answer here seems to be quite simply "means to an end.". .
Violating people's privacy is not a solution. I don't have the answer, but I know intruding in to people's personal thoughts is not something I would want any part of, not part of my government, or affiliated party. It's wrong.
To you, it's like a background check. To me, it's invading a person's mind,. That's not OK to me. There are no indication of restrictions or limits or type of information requested. So, again, thought police.
Ok, if joining the UFP Government / Citizenry means you're not a simple "Private Citizen" anymore, you're a "Public Servant". Certain rights are going to be given up while you're under oath and service to said Government / Military.
Would you be fine with that if regular common joe Citizen like you never gets bothered with any form of Mind Scans?
But those who serve under the Government / Military are subject to higher levels of scrutiny / integrity / security checks?
You won't be part of it. You're the average private citizen.
The Government and their Psionic Scanning devices aren't coming for you and won't touch you.
You only have to deal with your regular Betazoid / Mari neighbors and other Telepathic Species who live near you.
Good Luck with that. Hopefully they don't scan your mind and not tell you about it.
Not like you would ever know since you're a "Mundane" citizen with Zero Psionic Powers of any sort.
Not mind scans. Too far. You're literally inside my private world, with no restrictions. How is that OK?
I have no reason to trust this system at this point.
You signed on the dotted line to serve within the UFP Government / StarFleet.
There are at least 3 large betrayals that are known of with 2x at incredibly high levels that have done irreplicable damage to UFP / StarFleet. This all happens within the late 24th century, within years of each other.
New policies come into affect for all "Public Servants" of the UFP Government / StarFleet.
They are required to be scanned psychically. What then?
If you're a common / average citizen, it doesn't affect you.
If you're so bothered by it, you can always resign your commission and go private sector like Rios did.
And if every other major government in the Milky Way has similar policies what will you do?
Go be like the pilgrims on the MayFlower and start your own nation on some random planet?
Hope to stay isolated from any other Interstellar Governments that have Telepaths or Telepathic Electronics / Tech?
Yup.
Put protections in place against people being scanned. Which should be a part of mutually trusting and cooperative society. Either restrict the information or stay out of people's heads. That information is personal, autonomous. Might as well just have holograms as crew. You can reprogram them and view their records at will.
Exactly! The implications for Telepathy in Star Trek is HUGE.
'Babylon 5' did a far better job in laying out the basic implications of how Telepaths affect society.
Even Zero, the Medusan on ST: Prodigy basically communicates with everybody via Telepathy.
Yet, eight hundred years later, the Federation keeps chugging along. So these weren’t damaging events to any major extent.
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