There’s the right way, the wrong way and the JANEway.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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There’s the right way, the wrong way and the JANEway.
Nicely done!
See, that's why I feel justified in eating meat:
At least we kill the cows first. You're eating those plants ALIVE!
So, I’m still a baby to this forum really, but boy oh boy… Tuvix and Kim’s lack of a promotion?
The conversational gifts that just keep on giving.
The conversational gifts that just keep on giving.
And?
Any incident that can be perfectly understood can be recreated. It doesn't matter that there was an outside factor involved.
And in most transporter accident cases, we know both to be unquestionably true because the standard solution for getting things back to normal is to recreate the transporter accident in reverse. Unless we're expected to believe they just took a shot and there was actually a huge chance that the reverse of the transporter effects might have just killed them but no one ever bothered to mention that.
See, for instance, the freak transporter accident which opened the door to the mirror universe. Not only did the Enterprise crew successfully recreate it to get back to their own universe, but by the time of DS9 we see a dedicated, working design for a specifically interdimensional transporter device which is still only mentioned when the writers want it to be mentioned.
The only reason the transporter isn't a complete magic solution to almost every problem is because the writers flat out ignore all the previous capabilities it has shown and actively avoid taking the concept of the technology to its most logical conclusion. Using it to save Tuvix would be a huge change to that episode and would have absolutely zero effect on the franchise moving forward just like every other transporter incident has had zero effect on the franchise moving forward.
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Good luck finding Guinea Pigs for your experiment to recreate those effects.
I know I wouldn't volunteer for it.
I really need to come up with a new "the Voyager writers couldn't even..." trope. Maybe "they couldn't even count to 38" or some such thing.
But regarding Tuvix, yeah, he comes up a lot. And the debates are always enjoyable because there are people who are truly outraged at Janeway's actions toward him, and others who staunchly defend them. And both sides have valid, defensible arguments. So does my position, which is kind of in the middle.
The only bad opinion about Tuvix is that it's somehow a bad episode because it has such a divisive moral dilemma that splits people down the middle. (It's fine to dislike it if you've got other reasons though.)
Oh, it's a good episode. I just think Tuvix deserved it. 
Is it a good time to mention Dear Doctor (ENT)? Because, controversial, I quite like it. :-D
"Similitude(ENT)" is in some ways even worse than "Tuvix(VOY)" from a moral standpoint. A brand new Trip Tucker is created from cloning material and solely to provide the tissue needed to save the first Trip from death. Sim is a much more sympathetic character for me than Tuvix.
Well Federation level science shouldn't be nearly as dependent on guinea pigs to begin with. Someone always has to go first, but the person going first on just about anything the Federation comes up with ought to have far less reason to fear than anyone going first on a new technology today, even though we still use literal guinea pigs.
In any case, as I said we've seen them recreate these incidents at the drop of a hat already in the episodes. The main characters were clearly willing to be guinea pigs under the right circumstances.
The difference between Dear Doctor and those other stories I reckon, is that Similitude and Tuvix both present their problem as being a proper dilemma that torments the characters even after the choice is made. Dear Doctor ends with Phlox glad that Archer made the objectively correct choice.
Dear Doctor is another good one in that regard.
If Janeway had made the decision to allow Tuvix the right to continue living, I could easily see her being condemned by some fans for turning her back on her friend Tuvok, and leaving Kes bereft of Neelix. We might even get some sexist nonsense about women being too softhearted for the Big Chair.
If Archer had chosen to dole out the cure, I could likewise see him getting chastised for throwing the Menk under the bus.
If Janeway had made the decision to allow Tuvix the right to continue living, I could easily see her being condemned by some fans for turning her back on her friend Tuvok, and leaving Kes bereft of Neelix. We might even get some sexist nonsense about women being too softhearted for the Big Chair.
If Archer had chosen to dole out the cure, I could likewise see him getting chastised for throwing the Menk under the bus.
Because he exists. The others don't exist.
The being that is actually a being has rights. (In my conception of rights.)
In fact it is illogical even to use the term "others" as a subject in a sentence, above, since "they" . . . don't exist after the accident. The former beings who don't now exist have no right to be brought back to life.
In the end Sim gave his life, Tuvix was begging for mercy right to the bitter end. I see your point though.
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