What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[cooleddie74]

I make fun of "Tuvix" like a lot of fans do. It's an easy target. But the way the whole situation is never again mentioned in the series is just regrettable. Even episodic Trek makes callbacks to important events and you'd think two valued crewmembers being fused into one sentient entity and then forcibly separated again, killing that new entity and forcing Janeway to make a painful decision would be an event that she'd reflect on in a later episode as a turning point or moment of growth. But nope.

On to the next episode.

 

[Orphalesion]

Yeah you'd think spending time fused into one person would have some after-effects on Tuvok and Neelix, both in the way they interact with each other and their general behaviour.
I mean...what if they still know each other's deepest secrets or things like that?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't make fun of "Tuvix" at all. Far as I'm concerned, it played out exactly like it should have.

In the end, it's a question of numbers. Why does one person deserve to exist at the expense of two? Either you kill one (Tuvix) or two (Tuvok and Neelix). The greatest good for the greatest number. That's the bottom line.

 

[Lord Garth]

Yeah you'd think spending time fused into one person would have some after-effects on Tuvok and Neelix, both in the way they interact with each other and their general behaviour.
I mean...what if they still know each other's deepest secrets or things like that?

I think it could be that when they were joined minds then Tuvix knew everything Tuvok and Neelix knew. Then, once they were separated, all their memories and knowledge went back to who it originally came from. So Tuvok forgot everything he learned about Neelix when he was still part of Tuvix, and vice-versa.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I don't make fun of "Tuvix" at all. Far as I'm concerned, it played out exactly like it should have.

In the end, it's a question of numbers. Why does one person deserve to exist at the expense of two? Either you kill one (Tuvix) or two (Tuvok and Neelix). The greatest good for the greatest number. That's the bottom line.

Indeed. The needs of the many.

 

[Orphalesion]

In the end, it's a question of numbers. Why does one person deserve to exist at the expense of two? Either you kill one (Tuvix) or two (Tuvok and Neelix). The greatest good for the greatest number. That's the bottom line.

It is not a question of numbers. Tuvix had no fault in his creation and splitting him up was murder.

And allowing him to continue to exist would not have "killed" Tuvok and Neelix, they were already gone, "killed" in an accident. It's more like murdering one person to revive two others.

 

[Henoch]

As for supporting the mission, one Tuvok and one Neelix could be more useful/valuable than just one Tuvix...(maybe, assuming I'm not over valuing Neelix ).

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Tuvix had no fault in his creation

Irrelevant.

 

[Lord Garth]

Really, what they could've done was use Transporter Magic to get the patterns of Tuvok and Neelix before the merge happened, then you could have Tuvok, Neelix, and Tuvix. After that, Tuvix goes his own separate way, for whatever reason. Who knows? I'm sure they could've come up with something.

Then Tuvix could come back later on in "Basics, Part II" to team up with the Talaxians and Suder when Tom Paris got help wresting control of Voyager from the Kazon. Then Tuvix sacrifices himself to save the day for the greater good, just like Suder. "That sounds ridiculous!" Maybe, but it also doesn't sound out-of-line with "Basics" being a culmination of the first two seasons and wrapping up everything from the early part of the show before it moved on, once and for all.

I think this would've made for a good compromise. Granted, it would be less controversial than what "Tuvix" actually did. So, pick your poison: controversy or compromise.

 

[Henoch]

Really, what they could've done was use Transporter Magic to get the patterns of Tuvok and Neelix before the merge happened, then you could have Tuvok, Neelix, and Tuvix.

The transporter cannot create "new" life, or we'll have endless clones of everyone running around. "He's dead" would become meaningless.

 

[Lord Garth]

The transporter cannot create "new" life, or we'll have endless clones of everyone running around. "He's dead" would become meaningless.

It would all be forgotten about the next week. You forgot that we're talking about Voyager. I'm operating inside the bounds of the series discussed. And nothing I said was outside their wheelhouse.

Don't blame me. Blame them.

 

[Farscape One]

Regarding the merger of UPN and WB, that happened 1 year after ENTERPRISE ended. That kind of thing takes a LONG time to go through. Probably closer to 2 years, since you're dealing with two very large corporate entities.

(I can vouch for this as almost a certainty, because LONG before Amazon bought Whole Foods, Whole Foods was doing things to prepare themselves for the buyout. Whenever the public hears about something like that, assume that the behind the scenes has been happening for a year or more before the announcement.)


While I agree that the numbers didn't support keeping the show on, there could have been multiple ways to make it happen where you can get a concluding miniseries, or series of a few movies, etc.

The eventual merger just hastened its cancellation because UPN wanted to cut out anything that wasn't profitable enough to make the merger look more attractive.

Honestly, the deck was so stacked against ENTERPRISE for so long that its a testament to the name STAR TREK that we got 4 seasons. And I'm speaking as a big fan of the show.

 

[Vger23]

OMG I turn my back for a few minutes and you clowns turn a perfectly innocent thread into a Tuvix Debate.

 

[Orphalesion]

Irrelevant.

No. It is not. Tuvix was an innocent person. And Janeway murdered him.

 

[1001001]

 

[Lord Garth]

We live in polarizing times, so we need a polarizing Star Trek Movie. That's why in 2023, Paramount brings you...

STAR TREK: T U V I X

Rated R. Under 17 not admitted without parent.

 

[cooleddie74]

I don't care on which side of the argument you fall. Tuvix memes can be great.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

I don't care on which side of the argument you fall. Tuvix memes can be great.

‪‪I was having a similar thought ‪‪I had just said to myself “‪‪I don’t have to agree to find this hilarious.”

 

[Grendelsbayne]

The transporter cannot create "new" life, or we'll have endless clones of everyone running around. "He's dead" would become meaningless.

But the transporter can clone people. And de-age them. And store them for decades like a cryogenic pod.

Saving Tuvix wouldn't have had any more long-term impact on the rest of the franchise than all the other 'miraculous transporter incident' stories that were put on screen and then promptly forgotten again to keep the transporter concept properly 'grounded'.

 

[Commander Troi]

Thanks all for your VOY comments. I feel vaguely more prepared now.