NSS (Ni'Var's Science-Directorate StarShip)?
Spoilers ST Discovery - Starships and Technology Season Four Discussion
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So no Canon definition of NSS? Might not matter as Ni'Var joined the Federation.
The Vulcan science institute still existed in the 23rd century when Ni'Var was called 'Vulcan' and was part of UFP.
I imagine it would be the same here.
And as we saw in Lower Decks, member planets can still have their own ship designs perating independently of Starfleet, and officers can be trained in their own instiutions and would be transferrable to Starfleet.
Majority of a member planet's previous space bodies would have been absorbed into Starfleet (aka, planetary resources would become part of UFP for mutual sharing and cooperation - and construction of new ships) but otherwise, would be able to retain their own previous organisations and their own ships if they chose to do so.
Yes.
Janeway Class was only ever for Star Trek Online.
Just popping to say…
LEVEL TEN DIAGNOSTIC?!
Now we KNOW it’s the far future..! Not only are there at least five more levels, but the they’re switched the order around!
Mark
LEVEL TEN DIAGNOSTIC?!
Now we KNOW it’s the far future..! Not only are there at least five more levels, but the they’re switched the order around!
Mark
Is 1 or 15 the most extensive?
Indeed. Sometimes I’m surprised that command officers aren’t wearing blue in the current episodes. 
Admittedly it’s tough to do much tech theory because it doesn’t necessarily follow a straight line from the tech of the late 24th century that precedes it. There’s more than enough time for tech to go out of fashion, come back, become so commonplace that no one questions it, and then disappear again. Programmable matter may have had iterations over the centuries, been in frequent use for a while, or is simply a new name for transporter/replicator/nano tech that we’ve seen before. I get that the show runners probably saw it as an extension of today’s 3-D printing technology, but in Trek there could be a more believable connective tissue by saying it evolved from other existing Trek tech, IMO.
And speaking of P-matter, it’s clearly used as the healing salve of the show. After getting her hull basically Voyager-in-Year-of-Hell-ed, they seem to be saying that popping her into the Archer Spacedock and pouring a jar of the stuff over Discovery is all they need to do to get her ship shape again. And did anyone notice that Discovery had additional repair structures applied in addition to Archer? Where did those come from, were they replicated / P-mattered into existence for the purpose of fixing a ship of exactly that hull shape?
Mark
Admittedly it’s tough to do much tech theory because it doesn’t necessarily follow a straight line from the tech of the late 24th century that precedes it. There’s more than enough time for tech to go out of fashion, come back, become so commonplace that no one questions it, and then disappear again. Programmable matter may have had iterations over the centuries, been in frequent use for a while, or is simply a new name for transporter/replicator/nano tech that we’ve seen before. I get that the show runners probably saw it as an extension of today’s 3-D printing technology, but in Trek there could be a more believable connective tissue by saying it evolved from other existing Trek tech, IMO.
And speaking of P-matter, it’s clearly used as the healing salve of the show. After getting her hull basically Voyager-in-Year-of-Hell-ed, they seem to be saying that popping her into the Archer Spacedock and pouring a jar of the stuff over Discovery is all they need to do to get her ship shape again. And did anyone notice that Discovery had additional repair structures applied in addition to Archer? Where did those come from, were they replicated / P-mattered into existence for the purpose of fixing a ship of exactly that hull shape?
Mark
4x07 thoughts:
- Are the personal transporters mentally controlled? Or do people pre-program destinations that can be determined via, I dunno, eye movements or how you double-tap your combadge?
- I can't remember if we don't need replicator pads on Discovery anymore, but Zora seems okay willing her self-destruct device into existence on the table. Oddly, Stamets knows how to disassemble it instantly.
- Discovery is still being repaired after last week's pasting. One hopes they'll remember to remove the added flamethrowers on the bridge.
Mark
- Are the personal transporters mentally controlled? Or do people pre-program destinations that can be determined via, I dunno, eye movements or how you double-tap your combadge?
- I can't remember if we don't need replicator pads on Discovery anymore, but Zora seems okay willing her self-destruct device into existence on the table. Oddly, Stamets knows how to disassemble it instantly.
- Discovery is still being repaired after last week's pasting. One hopes they'll remember to remove the added flamethrowers on the bridge.
Mark
Remember, "The Doctor" (EMH) created the Synaptic Transceiver, I wouldn't be surprised if everybody in the future had one installed that allows them to interface with technology in a one way method where the Synaptic Transceiver sends the users desired computer inputs to whatever computer interface that the person wants.
I wouldn't be surprised if future versions of the "Synaptic Transceiver" are only implanted on the surface of the skull, underneath the skin layer and just feeds command inputs to whatever standardized computer interface that is close by to the person.
Think of a "Ultra Low Power" BAN (Body Area Network) where the wireless RF signals interface with your devices that are less than 1 meter radius away from your head, where the Synaptic Transceiver resides in.
I guess... I wonder then what calculates the relative position of the destination. Scientist guy beams one floor up for dramatic purposes, but who sets these coordinates? Maybe he knew he'd be popping up there at some point and pre-planned where he'd beam in? The combadges' HUD wasn't in play in that particular instance.
I suppose I just find it annoying that people now beam from one place to another in the blink of an eye (literally!) without any notable forethought or limitation. It'd be great if we got some rationalization for this sort of thing, but we're not likely to get it. The technology has only ever worked in service of the plot, but it just feels off having people blink around with Q-like precision despite not having Q-like power.
Indistinguishable from magic, and all that.
Mark
I suppose I just find it annoying that people now beam from one place to another in the blink of an eye (literally!) without any notable forethought or limitation. It'd be great if we got some rationalization for this sort of thing, but we're not likely to get it. The technology has only ever worked in service of the plot, but it just feels off having people blink around with Q-like precision despite not having Q-like power.
Indistinguishable from magic, and all that.
Mark
32nd century. Both too advanced and not advanced enough.
And we're back! Thoughts on 4x08, with the usual helping of "but it's been CENTURIES" as an explanation for some of this stuff:
- Admiral Vance specifically calls out the "Eisenberg-class" and shuttles among the ships on his "kitchen sink" list to dispatch to find Book's ship. The way he says it makes me wonder if the USS Nog and her sister ships are somehow NOT suited to this sort of mission? Or maybe the whole class of ships were busy being refitted and were not readily available for some reason?
- The shuttle, whose range and speed seem to not be any issue whatsoever compared to full sized starships, has a seat configuration that's more traditional as seen here versus the more populated configuration Tilly had.
- The Devore Imperium has gotten enough over their xenophobia to export sensors all the way here for some reason. And for them to be known. Or not?
- Tribbles can... Roll as locomotion? Or did that changeling simply play fast and loose with the furry form while escaping?
- The Changeling's updated FX looked more... Dusty than gooey. One wonders if they needed to hydrate before embarking on their oh-so-Dominionesque ploy of casino swindling.
- Where would Discovery's holodeck be? I guess we're not talking about the corridor-mounted training simulators anymore. Maybe they replaced the shroom room from season 1 with it?
- It hasn't been pointed out here yet I think, but Discovery still has a thruster suit from the first season mounted in the corridor set junction, that doubles as the airlock set when the right wall plugs are mounted. I'm guessing it's still to be used for emergency escape or whatever, but surely it would've been replaced by the 32nd century Tron suits?
Mark
- Admiral Vance specifically calls out the "Eisenberg-class" and shuttles among the ships on his "kitchen sink" list to dispatch to find Book's ship. The way he says it makes me wonder if the USS Nog and her sister ships are somehow NOT suited to this sort of mission? Or maybe the whole class of ships were busy being refitted and were not readily available for some reason?
- The shuttle, whose range and speed seem to not be any issue whatsoever compared to full sized starships, has a seat configuration that's more traditional as seen here versus the more populated configuration Tilly had.
- The Devore Imperium has gotten enough over their xenophobia to export sensors all the way here for some reason. And for them to be known. Or not?
- Tribbles can... Roll as locomotion? Or did that changeling simply play fast and loose with the furry form while escaping?
- The Changeling's updated FX looked more... Dusty than gooey. One wonders if they needed to hydrate before embarking on their oh-so-Dominionesque ploy of casino swindling.
- Where would Discovery's holodeck be? I guess we're not talking about the corridor-mounted training simulators anymore. Maybe they replaced the shroom room from season 1 with it?
- It hasn't been pointed out here yet I think, but Discovery still has a thruster suit from the first season mounted in the corridor set junction, that doubles as the airlock set when the right wall plugs are mounted. I'm guessing it's still to be used for emergency escape or whatever, but surely it would've been replaced by the 32nd century Tron suits?
Mark
Maybe the turboshafts are in the holodeck.
It's a good supposition that the Eisenbergs are being worked on rather than specifically unsuited for some reason such as insufficient speed.
It's welcome to have the Devore name-checked when it comes to telepathic scanners rather than invent another type of telepathic scanner, although with spore drives the Barge might even be in Delta Quadrant? Or I missed something in dialogue. Either way, the scanners may not have been legally exported, the Devore might have been conquered themselves by the Emerald Chain?
I think rolling tribbles might have been seen in 'Trouble With Edward' or TAS, but historically they only inch along and I would be more inclined to think this is just a weird, desperate, and for some reason (illness?) dusty Changeling.
I appreciated a call out to a spider-cow, possibly the Galardon kind.
