I was being tongue-in-cheek.
Clearly, JJ has rubbed off to a degree on Alex Kurtzman.
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I was being tongue-in-cheek.
Clearly, JJ has rubbed off to a degree on Alex Kurtzman.
In the preview for Kobayashi, I really enjoyed the
callback to the eponymous “game” from TNG S05E06 The Game. I’m just going to assume this is a non-addictive version, because I can’t really see Janeway encouraging Dal to get hooked on the thing.
To the degree that they were collaborators at various times in the past, sure, but it's illogical to single out Abrams's influence and ignore Kurtzman's collaborations with other filmmakers who have strong individual styles of their own, such as Sam Raimi and Michael Bay. Creators are influenced by everyone they worked with, not just those within the same franchise. And Kurtzman and Orci rose from staff writers to showrunners on Hercules and Xena under Raimi and Rob Tapert, so it stands to reason that Raimi and Tapert would be at least as important as formative influences as their later collaborator Abrams. I think people just say "Ooh, it's like Abrams" because it's what they expect to see, and so they stop trying to look further.
Besides, how do you know it wasn't Kurtzman who rubbed off on Abrams? Three of the first four feature films Abrams directed were written or co-written by Kurtzman & Orci, after all, so what we know of Abrams's feature-directing style comes primarily from films that Kurtzman was involved with. So maybe the stylistic similarities you see came at least partly from Kurtzman all along.
Going back to the Episode 6 preview, one of the holoprograms was listed as the Paxau resort, which is from Voyager, it was a resort on Talax that appeared in a couple episodes of Voyager.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Paxau_Resort
Also some of these badges make no sense. You've got alternate timeline badges, future badges, and a bajoran badge. I think that one right in the middle top is from TAS.
I think one is that Delta logo seen in some Star Trek Generations promos. It's not the DSC 32nd Century badge, the delta is off centre and doesn't have the split.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Paxau_Resort
Also some of these badges make no sense. You've got alternate timeline badges, future badges, and a bajoran badge. I think that one right in the middle top is from TAS.
I think one is that Delta logo seen in some Star Trek Generations promos. It's not the DSC 32nd Century badge, the delta is off centre and doesn't have the split.
We also saw some of the Game devices in Lower Decks I believe
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The reference almost seemed "Lower Deck-ian" to me, not that I have a problem with that.
One badge is the 29th century commbadge from the U.S.S. Relativity and only makes sense if Starfleet didn't classify Voyager's logs about contact with Captain Braxton and his crew.
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They could've been declassified some time in the past 130ish years...
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Yeah, like you said, those aren’t the 32nd Century tri-com badges because they’re offset and not split, and are also missing the curve parallel to the underside of the delta on the bottom of the oval.
Even if they were the 32nd Century badges from Disco, those didn’t appear at any point in the first two seasons of Discovery, or even in that era, and have nothing to do with the events and information that was classified after the season 2 finale.
That's a huge bridge - could be right outta STO XD
That's the 25th anniversary logo, it was also used for STTE, and in the GEN and FC teasers, IIRC
It's the Chronowerx logo from 1996.
I’m talking about the delta logo used in the movies trailers, not the combadge.
edit: What the person above said, it’s the 25th anniversary of trek logo.
DAMN YOU, CHRONOWERX!
This is the last computer I'm buying from you.
This is the last computer I'm buying from you.
It doesn't need to make sense. It's not about pandering to existing fans with facts or Canon, it's about growing a new generation of fans.
Remember the target demo, and they are not concentrating on In Universe History here. This is a primer for Star Trek, no bloody A, B, C,...
The labels aren't important, what's important is the kids see how vast the Trek Universe is, it's everything that other Star themed franchise is and worth taking a closer look.
Remember the target demo, and they are not concentrating on In Universe History here. This is a primer for Star Trek, no bloody A, B, C,...
The labels aren't important, what's important is the kids see how vast the Trek Universe is, it's everything that other Star themed franchise is and worth taking a closer look.
They know we're here. Odds are, the PARENTS of those kids are salivating fans like us.
Protostar's ship replicator may well be throwing shade at Chakotay ("Crash all the shuttlecraft you want! It can make more!"
)
I've been a Trek fan since 1974, and I couldn't care less if there are a few hard-to-explain insignias in that shot. It's no more a problem than half the planets in TOS having the exact same continent shapes, or TNG putting anime in-jokes and rubber duckies in the monitor graphics. Film and TV are impressionistic. Not every detail is supposed to be examined closely.
Its also possible that in-universe wise, Starfleet managed to come up with concept designs for possible badges it will be using a while back... and its something that is 'planned' to be introduced.
Could be adaptive algorithm thing.
Some (if not all) may have been in use over the 200 years of UFP initial existence for all we know and the designs were recycled for some eras.
Take the 29th century one from Chronowerx... it could be SF already invented that design and used it before the 24th century... or even during early 24th century, but then switched to a more familiar design.
For all we know, badges could have been changed twice every decade or so (which would culminate in about 40 different insignias overall)... and heck, even 23rd century ones could still exist in the 24th century... its just they have been upgraded to also serve as commbadges, etc. (seeing how 23rd century had separate flip phone like communicators).
Its a bit annoying, but it will be interesting to see how they reconcile this - if they bother to begin with.
It would be nice they adhere to some guidelines and not just showcase everything from every other Trek series - which can work... but only to the point where the deigns were seen until VOY ended.
Its possible 24th century Starfleet has logs of alternate timelines badges etc. which were declassified... possibly to avoid repeating the same mistakes that lead to that timeline in the first place and are actively drawing ques from them?
But that would kinda violate the Temporal Prime Directive (and its somethign that I think SF and UFP wouldn't be doing).
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Yeah, I had that thought, sort of. I don't know the context of the image in the episode yet, but it gives me the impression (perhaps entirely wrong) that the characters are looking at a menu of insignia design options that they can choose from. So maybe Starfleet's already designed all these possible insignias and different ones have been used at different times.
Although it's more likely that the animators just went to the "Starfleet insignia" page on Memory Alpha or something similar and just copied everything they found without bothering to check what era it was from. After all, only a minority of viewers would even notice or care.
Perhaps, but some attention to detail for people who do know about Trek in general would have been nice.
Introduction to newer audiences is nice and all, but there's no reason to mess up continuity (if that's what this is) just because the target audience wouldn't care.
That ship sailed a long time ago.
I know that ENT was set before the Federation Starfleet was chartered but it would have been cool to see the mid-22nd century Starfleet logos intermixed with the Federation arrowheads and commbadges.
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