Should ViacomCBS give up on a fourth movie and stick with Star Trek Television?

[FederationHistorian]

Just bear in mind that, as soon as humans become involved in any discussion, there will rarely be one single indisputable correct answer. There will undoubtedly be many opinions, not all of which will necessarily be compatible with any of the others. (This is especially true when the topic of discussion is Star Trek, so be wary of stating a thing as fact unless you have iron-clad reasoning to back it up.)

That’s quite patronizing, all because I offended a few users over differing opinions of Into Darkness. Even though I also pointed out that I’ve turned a corner on the film and have warmed to it. And I have been calmly listening to the other points of view on it. Perhaps there’s something to prove there?

And isn’t this getting off topic?

 

[JamesRye]

I loved ST09, I really thought it was a great way to reintroduce the characters and revive the franchise. I hated that CBS released TNG season 1 with the blu ray for ST09 (still one of the best selling blu-rays of all time). Why couldn't they have remastered the TV movies to coincide with ST09? Still, I digress.

A whole 4 years later, STID came along - and it was generally well received and did decent numbers. Personally, its my favourite Kelvin movie:
https://ryesofthegeek.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/star-trek-into-darkness-film-review/

But Star Trek: Beyond, was just a bit 'meh'. I mean, it had its moments, but the core of what the film was about seemed to be missing. I wish Kirk had talked Krall around at the end. It's also hard to understand how the movie cost so much to make, it really doesn't seem to be all up there on the screen to me.

Anyway, the cast is great - and I'm not really loving the TV output at the moment. JJ is one hell of a director - I think he just needs a decent writer. I'd be sad for the Kelvin movies to end on a whimper. They had such potential...

Maybe, Paramount should look toward Ghostbusters Afterlife and be happy to make a mid-budget film, with mid-budget returns again. Just like the old days

 

[M'Sharak]

That’s quite patronizing,

Curious. It wasn't meant to be.

all because I offended a few users over differing opinions of Into Darkness.

No, that's you stating speculation as if it were fact again. All I've been saying from the start is that you may want to be more careful about that.

And isn’t this getting off topic?

ProTip: It's considered poor form to play that card when one is not, in fact, the forum moderator.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It's also hard to understand how the movie cost so much to make, it really doesn't seem to be all up there on the screen to me

Like The Motion Picture, the costs of the unmade prior movies were paid for by this one. Bob Orci's Star Trek Into Oblivion (if that was the real name, it's the one with Shatner and Nimoy as well as Pine and Quinto) got as far as casting and location scouting before the plug was pulled and Orci kinda vanished. There were also other pitches, including one with a Doomsday Machine and Romulans that ended with Khan and Klingons storming Starfleet HQ. Beyond was something of a rush job, which Simon Pegg spoke about a lot in interviews during it's development.

 

[DarKush]

Regarding Into Darkness, while it did make more money overall than Star Trek '09, it didn't in America, and I think that's very important because that's the sign that Into Darkness had lost the biggest Trek audience. While it did an admirable job appealing overseas it was not as well received domestically, and Beyond suffered because of that. It's like with other movies where the first one is very successful and the second one gets the benefit of that, but if the sequel is lackluster, the third film doesn't do as well.

When it comes to Into Darkness and Beyond I agree with those who felt it was too long between Trek '09 and Into Darkness and that the revival of Khan was a mistake that eventually bit them when it came to the lack of interest in Beyond. I also agree with those who found the Beyond marketing not good. Paramount/CBS did little to take advantage of Beyond coming out in the 50th anniversary year of Star Trek, and it also didn't help to go after fan films around that same time either.

I wish we had gotten another film say around '11 when the brand was still hot. Even though the Star Trek Kelvin video game with the Gorn was derided, I wish they had adapted that story for a film. It would've played more into exploring new things with Trek, as opposed to retreading Wrath of Khan, the Holy Grail of Trek films that was bound to end in disappointment.

As for my feelings on Into Darkness I really disliked what they did at first, but I can now appreciate the moviemaking aspects. It was a well-made, well-acted, and fast paced movie. Benedict Cumberbatch made for a great villain, but he was no Khan.

 

[Starbreaker]

They should do another movie or two. I suspect we're close to getting an official announcement. It's only going to make a few hundred million dollars, so it needs to be released when COVID is at a low point.

 

[F. King Daniel]

They should do another movie or two. I suspect we're close to getting an official announcement. It's only going to make a few hundred million dollars, so it needs to be released when COVID is at a low point.

There was an announcement for a movie. Christmas 2023. No story, director or cast have been announced so I'm getting the vibe they're working backwards from a release date.

 

[FederationHistorian]

ProTip: It's considered poor form to play that card when one is not, in fact, the forum moderator.

Spare me the lecture.

Like The Motion Picture, the costs of the unmade prior movies were paid for by this one. Bob Orci's Star Trek Into Oblivion (if that was the real name, it's the one with Shatner and Nimoy as well as Pine and Quinto) got as far as casting and location scouting before the plug was pulled and Orci kinda vanished. There were also other pitches, including one with a Doomsday Machine and Romulans that ended with Khan and Klingons storming Starfleet HQ. Beyond was something of a rush job, which Simon Pegg spoke about a lot in interviews during it's development.

Wonder why this pitch wasn't used?

 

[Dukhat]

Yeah, piss off a mod. That'll get you places.

 

[Dryson]

I'm certain a new Kelvin timeline movie would bring back the fun of the other three.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

I’m not against seeing a new Star Trek movie, whatever form that may take, but I’m really happier with the length and breadth of stories we get on TV.

I’d like to see a new Kelvin movie I guess… but has that ship sailed long since?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I prefer to think that every year they delay making a new Star Trek film it becomes more and more appropriate for them to bring the Kelvin crew back wearing the Kelvin Universe version of the monster maroon uniforms. Plus we could have Kelvin Saavik!

 

[Smellmet]

I prefer to think that every year they delay making a new Star Trek film it becomes more and more appropriate for them to bring the Kelvin crew back wearing the Kelvin Universe version of the monster maroon uniforms. Plus we could have Kelvin Saavik!

I'd love to see that but I think it's highly unlikely

 

[seigezunt]

I loved 2009 and Beyond is one of my favorite films in the franchise, but I honestly would like JJ Abrams ejected from the franchise, after what he did with that last Star Wars film. It's why I supported the odd Tarantino idea. They just need to inject a little risk into the next one. They need to go out on a limb. Not likely, I know.

Honestly, I'd love to see something that incorporates the new shows in some way. Maybe a Strange New Worlds story. Maybe make a film out of one of the probably numerous ideas they had that didn't quite pan out into a series or episode idea.

 

[XCV330]

I prefer to think that every year they delay making a new Star Trek film it becomes more and more appropriate for them to bring the Kelvin crew back wearing the Kelvin Universe version of the monster maroon uniforms. Plus we could have Kelvin Saavik!

Give it long enough and we might even see a Kelvin David Marcus.

 

[TheTowerBridgeFox]

NO we have to have a new film with same cast as last three films!!!!!

 

[Dukhat]

NO we have to have a new film with same cast as last three films!!!!!

And their entire budget will go to paying that cast.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Give it long enough and we might even see a Kelvin David Marcus.

Perhaps, but I doubt Kirk will be the father.

 

[fireproof78]

Perhaps, but I doubt Kirk will be the father.

And miss out on the potential drama. Kirk adjusting to being a family man has excellent story potential and is far and away one of the potentially interesting parts of his character development, going from rebellious teen to responsible leader to responsible father.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ I didn't say Kirk shouldn't be the father, just that he almost certainly won't be.

Every time Kirk and Carol were onscreen together they pretty much hated each other's guts.

McCoy, on the other hand...I can totally see him being KelvinDavid's father. There was actually chemistry between him and Carol.