If he's in the militia, he has a rank, seems to me. It's a moot point because we never get told what it is. I just said he might be in line for 3rd in command.
So, who's third in command on DS9?
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But that's the thing. We don't know that Odo is actually a member of the Militia. He simulates the uniform, but that doesn't make him a member. Like I said, he might be doing that just so it'll be easier for his deputies to consider him their leader.
Hell, he might only be doing it because he LIKES the uniform. I mean, he's gotta wear something, right?
Hell, he might only be doing it because he LIKES the uniform. I mean, he's gotta wear something, right?
Does he? What about gene’s vision?
There's not enough brain bleach in the universe.
Given that we see Scotty and Trip, both Chief Engineers of their respective ships, seem to be third in command, it's acrually quite possible O'Brien is third in line.
Despite his non-com rank, he has a LOT of experience, and has taken charge multiple times.
Going by rank alone, probably Jadzia, as she was a full Lt. But I think given his position, it's very possible O'Brien's the third.
Despite his non-com rank, he has a LOT of experience, and has taken charge multiple times.
Going by rank alone, probably Jadzia, as she was a full Lt. But I think given his position, it's very possible O'Brien's the third.
The only time we have ever seen O'Brien give orders is to other noncoms (like Muniz). It seems clear enough that O'Brien is not in any chain of command and doesn't wish to be. He's quite content FOLLOWING orders, not giving them.
For what it's worth I flat out disagree that Chief O'Brien was ever third in command of the station.
Scotty and Tucker are fair game since they were commissioned officers holding the rank of lieutenant commander (Scotty might have been a full commander - TOS isn't my strong suit) so I don't think lumping O'Brien in there is a fair equivalence.
Was Geordi third in command as chief engineer? Was B'Elanna?
Scotty and Tucker are fair game since they were commissioned officers holding the rank of lieutenant commander (Scotty might have been a full commander - TOS isn't my strong suit) so I don't think lumping O'Brien in there is a fair equivalence.
Was Geordi third in command as chief engineer? Was B'Elanna?
If DS9 were part of the US Navy, the succession of command would be on the basis of seniority among the department heads (excluding medical). There is nothing special that designates the person underneath the XO, save having been in the service longer than the other department heads. If these were to be applied to the series, it would be Sisko-Kira-Dax for both station and Defiant, then Sisko-Kira-Worf by virtue of Worf being in the service longer.
On the other hand, if DS9 had a website, the command staff would be shown as Sisko-Kira-OBrien. O'Brien would probably be considered the chief of the enlisted men on the station. There would be no space for a "second officer." Knowing this helps to explain the admiration between Sisko and O'Brien, IMO.
On the other hand, if DS9 had a website, the command staff would be shown as Sisko-Kira-OBrien. O'Brien would probably be considered the chief of the enlisted men on the station. There would be no space for a "second officer." Knowing this helps to explain the admiration between Sisko and O'Brien, IMO.
O'Brien gave orders in the pilot, while they were bringing DS9 to the Denorios Belt.
(Though to be fair, he was the only senior staff present at that time.)
Regarding Geordi and Torres... Data is already third in command, and Worfs DID become acting XO in "Gambit, Part II". So it might be a case of 'bridge officers', like what Tom said to B'Elanna in "DISPLACED".
As for Torres, same deal... Tuvok was clearly third. Tom eve became de facto XO in "UNIMATRIX ZERO PART II", though that was a case of BOTH Tuvok and Torres being absent.
(Though to be fair, he was the only senior staff present at that time.)
Regarding Geordi and Torres... Data is already third in command, and Worfs DID become acting XO in "Gambit, Part II". So it might be a case of 'bridge officers', like what Tom said to B'Elanna in "DISPLACED".
As for Torres, same deal... Tuvok was clearly third. Tom eve became de facto XO in "UNIMATRIX ZERO PART II", though that was a case of BOTH Tuvok and Torres being absent.
If nothing else, we've seen Bashir give him orders before.
This can only mean that Bashir was next in line to command DS9 if Sisko and Kira took a vacation. In this TED talk I will-
As for Garak's description of Odo, what he said in "The Die is Cast" was, "he is a member of the Bajoran militia and an officer on Deep Space Nine."
It's possible that Garak was embellishing Odo's actual credentials, but if what he said is accurate, then "officer" implies that he has some kind of formal rank, even if it's an NCO type of thing equivalent to a Petty Officer. But when it comes to the Bajoran Militia, the Memory Alpha page for Bajoran Ranks lists Odo under Enlisted Personnel and says, "Bajoran enlisted personnel did not wear rank insignia and were addressed by their title or rate, similar to Starfleet enlisted personnel."
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It's possible that Garak was embellishing Odo's actual credentials, but if what he said is accurate, then "officer" implies that he has some kind of formal rank, even if it's an NCO type of thing equivalent to a Petty Officer. But when it comes to the Bajoran Militia, the Memory Alpha page for Bajoran Ranks lists Odo under Enlisted Personnel and says, "Bajoran enlisted personnel did not wear rank insignia and were addressed by their title or rate, similar to Starfleet enlisted personnel."
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It's Garak.
You can't ever use the phrase "if what he said is accurate" with him.
When Worf showed up, he was a station bridge (ops?) officer and was literally in the command division with the highest (tied) rank. He was certainly 3rd in command, it's not even a debate in my mind. Before that, Dax.
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Odo is already a poor enough choice for being chief of security.
He's a detective, not a leader, and the plot rarely requires him to make any actual decisions.
Shockingly bad take but okay.
When have you ever seen him make any competent leadership decision?
He's a detective and enforcer due to his species' abilities; he is not a leader.
He was chief of security under the Cardassians and despite this was still respected enough by the Bajorans that they kept him in post when the Cardassians withdrew - seems to me he's a pretty good choice.
I'd imagine most people in Odo's position at the end of the Occupation would have been denounced/strung up as collaborators but if two parties as at odds as the Cardassians and Bajorans both agree (and I doubt they agreed on much) that you're the correct man for the job you're probably doing something right aren't you?
So yeah I'd say yours is a shockingly bad take.
Odo was shown several times commanding security officers, both Starfleet and Bajoran, when the station was boarded. Indeed, he led his men to beat back the Cardassians and Jem Hadar.
He and I think Eddington seemed to be in charge when literally every other command level officer was trapped in Bashir's Bond fantasy so he probably can command everyone who's not a department head but unless everyone else is indisposed it never comes up.
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