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First Command for New Captain in 2369/2370...

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This might be more of a story than a tech question, but I am contemplating which ship classes realistically a newly promoted Captain might get at this point in time for something I'm writing. I'm looking for several choices, since I'm trying to write up something that gives someone several options to pick from. The character in question would be promoted from a officer aboard the USS Hood.

I was thinking something like maybe a New Orleans class starship, or Cheyenne or Springfield might fit the bill. I think it might be a bit too early for an Intrepid? A Nebula also seems like too much, although they are kind of the stereotypical "guest ship that isn't an Excelsior" in the TNG/DS9 era. Does having the option of more modern TNG ships to command than the usual Movie era holdovers make sense in this time period?
 
Ransom was a xenobiologist and got the Equinox, a science vessel. I would say it depends on the new captain's background and what kind of mission profile his ship will have.
 
Curiously, in most Trek shows we only rarely establish that a Captain character is taking their first command in the context of their shows. For example, in assorted extended canons we understand that Kirk, while young, actually had multiple commands of other ships before taking the Enterprise. However in TOS itself, we’re given no indication whatsoever that the Enterprise was his first assignment as skipper, not counting any potential parallels with the JJverse. We also don’t know if Janeway, Archer, Sisko, Freeman, or I guess Pike or Georgiou definitely DIDN’T have a command assignment before taking command of their most famous assignments. It just hasn’t come up.

There’s one notable instance of a clearly unready captain getting a top ship, with Harriman getting the Enterprise-B. Again, novels have retconned this by establishing he got the ship through nepotism, though he ultimately became a competent commanding officer.

Then we have people like Riker, who was offered command multiple times and each time seems to have been a better ship: the light cruiser USS Drake; a ship to be sent on a long-range exploration mission in the USS Aries; the probably larger and more capable Excelsior/Nebula-class USS Melbourne; and finally the shiny new USS Titan. One could argue that the more important assignments came with Riker’s increasing experience and command ability, or it was simply that his name came up as next on the list of qualified officers.

In practice in the USN, commanding officers are generally assigned a vessel once they are deemed competent for command and will get whatever ship becomes available next; COs in the navy will of course rotate assignments regularly. There are general trends of matching background to assignment, for example an aircraft carrier’s CO is always a former naval aviator (and must have been XO of a carrier at some point, plus being a CO of another big ship), while all sub captains are themselves submariners and not surface boat sailors. This is in addition to special training not only as commanding officers but also in nuclear propulsion and the naval usage thereof, if you’re to command a nuclear-powered ship.

It would make sense that prospective Starfleet captains are assessed a command suited to their strengths and background, but other times some just seem to get a command assignment as a reward, as Picard may have when he got the Stargazer. For the most part though, if one is aiming for the captains chair, I’m fairly certain that they’d be trained to be happy to be even offered a command, and thus to accept whatever they got. Freeman may have been pining for a ship of the line, but it’s not like she seemed unhappy to have taken the Cerritos. This makes Riker the exception to the rule, but then we know Riker is exceptional in many ways. :)

Mark
 
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Think of the oldest & smallest ship of that era, and go from there.

Newer, larger ships should go to more seasoned captains.

So an Oberth-class, then? :)

Honestly if I were starting out as Captain, I wouldn't be upset at all about getting an Oberth-class in the TNG era. In addition to being a cool design, apparently sometime between TSFS and TNG, the Oberth-class (to which the unlucky USS Grissom belonged) got a bunch of new weapons systems, so it wasn't so easily blown out of the water by Klingon scout ships. My head canon is that some of the defensive systems on the USS Pegasus (also an Oberth-class) were carried over to her sister ships, because we see at least two or three fighting in the big space battle against the Borg in "First Contact".

Of course combat isn't everything but in any case, better defensive systems means better peace of mind when you're out there dealing with the final frontier. Not everyone out there is friendly, after all!
 
Was that the oldest and smallest of 2369/2370?

My memory of what was down there on the size tree is fuzzy.

So you gotta help me on that.

Depends on who you ask. There's a whole article on Ex Astris Scientia on what scale the Oberth-class is, ranging from 120 meters to 300 meters long. The "official" length is 120 meters, and if this is indeed the true size and my 1/1000 scale model kits of both the refit Constitution-class and the Oberth-class is accurate, then the Oberth-class is roughly one-third as long as the movie Enterprise, with the Oberth-class being as long as the Enterprise's Engineering hull, minus the nacelles and pylons. It's even smaller than the Defiant, at that size!

Of course if the ship were 300 meters, it would be the same exact length as the movie Enterprise. Again, depends on who you ask.
 
Depends on who you ask. There's a whole article on Ex Astris Scientia on what scale the Oberth-class is, ranging from 120 meters to 300 meters long. The "official" length is 120 meters, and if this is indeed the true size and my 1/1000 scale model kits of both the refit Constitution-class and the Oberth-class is accurate, then the Oberth-class is roughly one-third as long as the movie Enterprise, with the Oberth-class being as long as the Enterprise's Engineering hull, minus the nacelles and pylons. It's even smaller than the Defiant, at that size!

Of course if the ship were 300 meters, it would be the same exact length as the movie Enterprise. Again, depends on who you ask.
Does the Oberth-class have a scaling issue like the Klingon Bird of Prey when depicted on screen?
 
Does the Oberth-class have a scaling issue like the Klingon Bird of Prey when depicted on screen?

Unfortunately yes. Odd too, because both were introduced in the same movie, and both were reused several times in later series and films! The Oberth-class USS Grissom was the ship that explored the Genesis planet in Star Trek III, before the Klingon bird of prey blew it up. Since then we've seen multiple Oberth-class ships in TNG, and each time it appears either slightly larger or much bigger than it did in Star Trek III.
 
When you say "new Captain", do you mean an O6 Captain, or could it be an O5 Commander (or even an O4 Lieutenant Commander) who is selected to be a Ship's Captain of a smaller ship??
 
Captain Lucero got the Cabot as her first command about a hundred years earlier, a fairly small Magee class ship. I would say something small like an Oberth, or Freedom Class (just a bit too early to get a Nova), or an old heavily patched Miranda.

Or a California class. I don't think Tarzana has a ship named after it, yet..
 
I guess it would depend on how many ships survived the Dominion War, what state of repair they were in (and if Starfleet decided to not bother repairing them at all and just scuttled them) and how many new ships they built right after the war. They would probably want their most experienced captains to get the newer ships, while new or less experienced captains (or lesser officers who received field promotions to captain during wartime) would get older or less advanced ships.
 
In 2369/70, I'd say they'd be best offered any of the following:
  • Cheyenne-Class
  • Freedom-Class
  • Miranda-Class
  • New Orleans-Class
  • Renaissance-Class
  • Sabre-Class
  • Springfield-Class
That then allows for a mix of different ages and capabilities based on just what the new Captain's background and accomplishments were.
 
Nova or Intrepid, to my mind, barring the introduction of additional designs specific to that timeframe. Or one of the older Excelsiors...?
Funny you should mention an older Excelsior... the captain character I'm writing for just finished a stint aboard the Hood. I DM a RPG and wanted to give the players a new ship to tool around in for the next installment of their adventure. It's set post Wolf 359 but pre Dominion War, mostly so that DS9 can make a cameo, and possibly also have the Gamma Quadrant involved. Thanks for the suggestions: keep them coming!

I'm working on a list of ships to offer the player who's character is going to be Captain. So far the list is the Intrepid class, New Orleans, Cheyenne, and Springfield... I'll definitely consider adding Nova and Sabre to the list as well. Were the California class launched by that point?
 
Funny you should mention an older Excelsior... the captain character I'm writing for just finished a stint aboard the Hood. I DM a RPG and wanted to give the players a new ship to tool around in for the next installment of their adventure. It's set post Wolf 359 but pre Dominion War, mostly so that DS9 can make a cameo, and possibly also have the Gamma Quadrant involved. Thanks for the suggestions: keep them coming!

I'm working on a list of ships to offer the player who's character is going to be Captain. So far the list is the Intrepid class, New Orleans, Cheyenne, and Springfield... I'll definitely consider adding Nova and Sabre to the list as well. Were the California class launched by that point?
In the first season of LD they're old and "falling apart" and in need of refits, so probably. That takes place in 2380. It's hard to imagine the Cerritos being only 11 years old.
 
When you say "new Captain", do you mean an O6 Captain, or could it be an O5 Commander (or even an O4 Lieutenant Commander) who is selected to be a Ship's Captain of a smaller ship??

I was thinking something along the lines of an O5 Commander or O4 Lt Commander. Something akin to a young captain in the age of sail, because lets be honest it's already Horatio Hornblower in space!
 
In the first season of LD they're old and "falling apart" and in need of refits, so probably. That takes place in 2380. It's hard to imagine the Cerritos being only 11 years old.

That makes sense... if the Ceritos is perhaps fifteen to twenty years old, she could have been launched just about in 2360, which would make her "middle age" by the time of DS9 and the war. On the other hand, I seem to recall someone mentioning she was launched after Wolf 359?

That has... interesting implications in terms of design. A lot of her design elements seem more akin to the ships like Akira than, say, the Nebula or Galaxy. That would suggest the possibility of a later launch date. The Cali class seems to get the short end of the stick, so it's possible they are only "old and worn out" relatively speaking: maybe they've simply been rode hard and put away wet? That or maybe the ship has been refit more than once already, and she originally looked more like, say, the Springfield or Cheyenne class.
 
That or maybe the ship has been refit more than once already, and she originally looked more like, say, the Springfield or Cheyenne class.

At first I thought it might be related to the Ptolemy class . Has those long nacelles perfect for hauling something underneath. The tub seen just barely offscreen at the end of Disco's season 2 opener look vaugle of a similar shape, possibly Ptolymies also.
 
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