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STID is now my least-favorite Trek film, hands down. Not the worst from a technical point of view but man, does the third act crash and burn(no pun intended) so hard that it sinks the entire film. NEM is bad but it was mediocre from the moment Picard drove the dune buggy and didn't recover until the end. STID began with such promise but then belly-flopped and that's way more disappointing.
 
STID is now my least-favorite Trek film, hands down. Not the worst from a technical point of view but man, does the third act crash and burn(no pun intended) so hard that it sinks the entire film. NEM is bad but it was mediocre from the moment Picard drove the dune buggy and didn't recover until the end. STID began with such promise but then belly-flopped and that's way more disappointing.
It's funny because I am kind of OK with the ending. It's the space jump that pissed me right off in the theater and the part that I skip on every rewatch.
 
There's a lot of questionable and even dumb stuff in the movie for sure but when we get to Spock screaming "KHAAAAAAAN" we've basically jumped the shark, put a pair of X-ray glasses on it and then asked it to sing karaoke. That film is just an example of how not to finish a Star Trek movie.
I mean, it fits in with the larger theme with Spock from both 09 to ID. I completely agree that the KHAN yell was annoying but beyond that I don't see much shark jumping.

Kirk's speech at the end is probably one of my favorite moments. But, I'm also extremely biased because Kirk's arc in the Kelvin films is one of my personal favorites.
 
Wow there cowboy. Slow down. Kirk hasn't even bought her a drink yet as of Into Darkness's ending. Let's see if these two have a good first date before we start picking out wedding venues. ;)
Kirk, 2260: "Welcome to the family."

Kirk, 2263: "Carol who?"
 
There's a lot of questionable and even dumb stuff in the movie for sure but when we get to Spock screaming "KHAAAAAAAN" we've basically jumped the shark, put a pair of X-ray glasses on it and then asked it to sing karaoke. That film is just an example of how not to finish a Star Trek movie.
Whereas I feel it's one of the best representations of a situation going completely out of fucking control I've seen, Trek or otherwise. Half of San Francisco gets levelled by a giant secret desthship, Spock utterly loses his shit and beams down with the intent of beating Khan to death. And none of it is out of character.

I'm just bothered by how that tribble stayed in place on McCoy's desk after the Enterprise and everyone inside was being flung end over end as they fell to Earth:lol:
 
One problem with the final act is that it's Spock who defeats Khan rather than Kirk. Kirk has been the primary character throughout the film; it is Kirk who goes on a journey from angry jingoist to realizing he's been had by Marcus... and then at the end, Kirk does not resolve the final conflict.

But my biggest problem with Into Darkness is actually the presence of Khan himself. Not the function Khan serves in the story -- seeming ally turned menace -- but his identity as Khan. Simply put, the Khan character is a legacy of 1960s era racism -- having a Mexican man of European heritage portraying a Sikh from the Indian subcontinent is... well, it's pretty damn problematic. I love Ricardo Montalban, you love Ricardo Montalban, we all love Ricardo Montalban, but his casting definitely played into white American stereotypes of the generic foreigner and (moreso in "Space Seed" than in TWOK) the sexually threatening brown man come to "take our women." We can certainly grade TOS on a curve and grandfather it in because things weren't as racially enlightened as they are today, but "problematic" is built into the character from the start.

The options for using the Khan character in 2013 are, well, not great. The role calls for Khan to essentially do an outer space version of 9/11 at the end of the film, crashing the USS Vengeance into downtown San Francisco. This presents us with a problem if the role is Khan: Sikhs worldwide have struggled with racists who stereotype them as terrorists (particularly confusing their turbans with stereotypes of Arabs). If Khan is played by someone with actual Sikh/Indian subcontinent heritage, it is, furthermore, generally problematic, because you've got a brown man doing terrorism in a major motion picture, and that just reinforces existing racist stereotypes.

On the other hand, the option they chose for using Khan is problematic in its own right: they literally whitewashed the role, casting a white Englishman to play a character canonically identified as Sikh Indian. This A) makes no sense unless some plot device is introduce to explain the difference, and B) is another example of white actors appropriating roles for persons of color.

The fundamental solution to the problem, of course, is to "kill your darling:" Recognize that the narrative does not actually require the "ally turned enemy created by blowback to imperialism" role to be Khan per se, and make it a different character without that kind of problematic baggage. Which STID did not do. Oh well.
 
Having The character be Khan — while looking and sounding nothing like the very-familiar Montalban, though you find that problematic — was dumb. Not publicizing that it was Khan wasdumb, tho the cat got of the bag thanks to a magazine cover faux pas, iirc.

Khan could have a British accent due to Hindustan being part of the Empire and migration within it. Or just the basic amalgamation of humanity that gave us British Picard.

I think it would be a better movie had he stayed John Harrison, though.
 
Environmental conditions probably play a part. Humans have our temperature we enjoy, Vulcans like it hotter, Andorians like it colder.
...and yet Jennifer on Lower Decks seems pretty comfortable as an Andorian on a Starfleet Ship. Nor do any of the many Vulcans we see ever complain of the cold.
In general the crews seen on Lower Decks, especially when it comes to background extras, seems a lot more diverse.
 
yet Jennifer on Lower Decks seems pretty comfortable as an Andorian on a Starfleet Ship. Nor do any of the many Vulcans we see ever complain of the cold.
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