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What's the truth to the story that Gene Roddenberry saw a rough cut star Trek 6 in October of 1991 and then went home and wrote a series of notes demanding the many scenes be cut out of the movie that didn't agree with his philosophy?
 
What's the truth to the story that Gene Roddenberry saw a rough cut star Trek 6 in October of 1991 and then went home and wrote a series of notes demanding the many scenes be cut out of the movie that didn't agree with his philosophy?
I recall hearing about that would be interested to learn more.
 
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What's the truth to the story that Gene Roddenberry saw a rough cut star Trek 6 in October of 1991 and then went home and wrote a series of notes demanding the many scenes be cut out of the movie that didn't agree with his philosophy?
I've head this but also heard that he was so far gone at that point he just smiled and nodded and was wheeled away. The note being written by someone else.

I'd be slightly interested to know which is true, if any.
 
Well for sure someone else did the physical writing but the story is that he wanted them to cut out huge chunks of the film because he thought starfleet couldn't have people who would behave as some did in the movie.
 
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I've head this but also heard that he was so far gone at that point he just smiled and nodded and was wheeled away. The note being written by someone else.

I'd be slightly interested to know which is true, if any.
What do you mean "at that point"? He was gone going all the way back to ST:TMP with his story idea that Kirk and Spock were involved and present at the John F. Kennedy assassination; and he had Spock pulling the trigger to make the shot that killed Kennedy.:cardie:
 
What do you mean "at that point"? He was gone going all the way back to ST:TMP with his story idea that Kirk and Spock were involved and present at the John F. Kennedy assassination; and he had Spock pulling the trigger to make the shot that killed Kennedy.:cardie:

You say that like it's a crazy idea, but multiple shows have done similar stories about the Kennedy assassination, like the '80s Twilight Zone's "Profile in Silver," Red Dwarf's "Tikka to Ride," and the Doctor Who novel Who Killed Kennedy. There are a disquieting number of stories predicated on the premise that Kennedy's assassination "had" to happen to prevent something even worse. I guess it arises from some need to make sense of such a senseless tragedy, to come to terms with it.
 
I recall hearing about that would be interested to learn more.

AFAIK, Gene's only written reactions to ST VI were based on the shooting script. Before they started filming. He wrote a long, angry memo. And Nick Meyer chose to ignore most of his input.

Months later, his chauffeur and carer, Ernie Over, took Gene to see the roughcut of ST VI. He was in a wheelchair, dibilitated from an earlier series of strokes. As Ernie told me in person in December 1991, that Gene watched the movie then said, "I am sure the fans will love it."

Not long after watching it, GR took his last trip to the hospital. It didn't sound to me like he was in any condition to race-home-and-a-write-a-long-letter, as was the rumour floated around later.

Well for sure someone else did the physical writing but the story is that he wanted them to cut out huge chunks of the film because he thought starfleet couldn't have people who would behave as some did in the movie.

Was that not the memo about the shooting script? GR also asked Meyer to reconsider using Saavik as a conspirator, because she was "beloved by the fans" - which angered Meyer, since Meyer had created Saavik and GR had originally not wanted that character in ST II.

Of course, Alley refused to return anyway, so Valeris (Kim Cattrell) was created to replace her. But it was Saavik in the shooting script.
 
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What do you mean "at that point"? He was gone going all the way back to ST:TMP with his story idea that Kirk and Spock were involved and present at the John F. Kennedy assassination; and he had Spock pulling the trigger to make the shot that killed Kennedy.:cardie:
That’s a fib. That’s Trekkies repeating an incorrect description of what happens in the story outlines as if it were so.

EDIT: And in reply to Therin’s comment about Saavik…

Also, Mayer did not create Saavik. He made the male character from the unused Samuel Peeples script into a female.
 
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That’s a fib. That’s Trekkies repeating an incorrect description of what happens in the story outlines as if it were so.

Also, Mayer did not create Saavik. He made the male character from the unused Samuel Peeples script into a female.
Where did I mention anything about lieutenant Saavik or who created her. If you're going to reply to or talk about what I said reply to or talk about what I actually said . I didn't say a single thing about lieutenant Saavik or the character's creation.
 
Where did I mention anything about lieutenant Saavik or who created her. If you're going to reply to or talk about what I said reply to or talk about what I actually said . I didn't say a single thing about lieutenant Saavik or the character's creation.

That was in reply to Therin's post above.
 
The Saavik thing was mentioned by someone else. I just didn’t quote them. Fixed.
 
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By the way, we do not seem to have any Roddenberry memos related to Star Trek VI. So I think we can end that discussion right now because there’s no way for us to factually determine what did or did not happen.
 
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That’s a fib. That’s Trekkies repeating an incorrect description of what happens in the story outlines as if it were so.
The claim that Spock was supposed to be the shooter on the grassy knoll seems to be sourced by Memory Alpha to Star Trek Movie Memories, by Shatner and Kreski, hardback edition, pp. 108, 161–162, but I cannot check whether that's a correct citation, or the whether it isn't there and the Memory Alpha article is just badly worded, because I don't have that book.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Trek_III_(Gene_Roddenberry)
 
The claim that Spock was supposed to be the shooter on the grassy knoll seems to be sourced by Memory Alpha to Star Trek Movie Memories, by Shatner and Kreski, hardback edition, pp. 108, 161–162, but I cannot check whether that's a correct citation, or the whether it isn't there and the Memory Alpha article is just badly worded, because I don't have that book.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Trek_III_(Gene_Roddenberry)
Whatever the source, it is wrong. I have the story outlines right here.
 
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