Prodigy is Confirmed Prime Timeline
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My theory about why the Protostar's nacelles look like the Abramsprise's: In the 23rd century of the Kelvin timeline, Starfleet reverse-engineered the data they got from the late 24th century Narada. Therefore they had late 24th century tech in the 23rd century that in the prime timeline wouldn't have been utilized until the 2390's. So the KT is 100 years ahead of the prime timeline technologically speaking.
I believe I heard a similar theory from one of the writers as well, that the Kelvin crew survivors had taken data from their encounter resulting in some technological leaps.
Also, to the OP, it isn't really a surprise. The Prime Timeline is the driving force for the current production of shows.
Yeah, that's what I always assumed as well.
Ya, defs not a surprise. But there was enough going on there between the Giacchino theme and the phat go-sticks hanging off the Protostar to make some of us wonder.
Possible but not necessarily so (at least not entirely).
The Kelvin survivors would have taken sensor data of the Narada and bring that back with them. But the Narada looked nothing like a Starfleet ship.
That whole eventcoupled with losses of SF officers onboard the Kelvin could have prompted some design changes to the nacelles of Kelvin timeline in general (perhaps pushing SF to use a design they might not have otherwise used)... hence you end up with similar nacelles like on the 1701.
My guess is the design choice is purely accidental. There is certainly no design shortage in regards to nacelles in the Prime timeline... so its possible its just a fluke the similarities would be there. Its also possible the Prime universe experimented with Kelvin timeline nacelles in the 23rd century, but they never took off (for whatever reason), and it wasn't until now that someone in SF decided to use perhaps that particular configuration to see if it might have some use on an experimental ship with experimental engines and overall technology.
Its also possible the Kelvin timeline opted to use those nacelles because the Kelvin was destroyed. How many years passed since the destruction of the Kelvin and 1701 launch again? 20 odd years?
That's certainly enough time to think SF had experimented with those nacelles and maybe decided to pursue them instead of the ones we saw in the Prime timeline. They may or may not be better than the Prime timeline nacelles.
But the Protostar using them could be nothing more than an old experiment from 23rd century (which may have failed or wasn't pursued in totality) and then used in the 24th century for the Protostar (but then those nacelles would have technology in them the Kelvin timeline couldn't even think of that soon most likely).
Oh and, the Prime Timeline actually mainly received Transwarp beaming from Spock (this freaking technology is so elusive in the Prime Timeline its not even funny,... it NEEDS to become commonplace).
What else?
Its possible when Kirk stole the Jellyfish from the Narada, he may have downloaded most data on starship designs and technology to 1701... but we have 0 indication this was the case.
We only have Spock who could have contributed here and there, warned SF about certain events, and that's pretty much it.
Automatically assuming that the Kelvin timeline would be 100 years ahead of the Prime timeline doesn't really track.
Sure, Transwarp beaming would have given the Kelvin timeline a boost, but its also possible things would have 'normalized' the further into the future you go.
After all, Discovery S3 showed us that the Kelvin timeline in the 24th century used same TNG uniforms as the prime timeline.
So, there's that.
Some things have changed quite a bit, but we have no idea to verify if at large they would have changed with greater or less degree the further in time you go.
My guess is that this effect would have waned down somewhat the further into the future Kelvin universe goes... so events could have become much more aligned with the Prime universe.
Obviously, SF having access to TW beaming would give them more than a few ideas in making Transwarp engines a reality, which could affect design choices in ships, defensive and offensive systems.. or it could have just affected the engines and SIF technology... which admittedly could SEEP into other areas too.
Or it just means the Kelvin SF encounters the Borg too soon and could be assimilated as a result too early on... but I suspect Spock could have warned them about this.
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It really didn't. We have no idea that what that image of that officer was to mean. That's an assumption without basis.
Actually the context was rather clear:
Here's the dialogue word for word:
"Yor here travelled forward from 2379 and across from an alternate universe created by the temporal incursion of a Romulan mining ship. Before Georgiou, Yor was the only individual known to have travelled across time and dimensions."
So, it is more than likely Kovach referred to Nero and the Kelvin timeline given what was described.
Also, when you consider the premise that Yor effectively jumped from 2379, and had a TNG uniform and commbadge in line with the year 2366 (of the Prime timeline), it actually makes you wonder if the Kelvin timeline may have ended up in a sort of a 'delay' where certain events and technology may have resulted in a slowdown of some kind (possibly one of a temporal nature due to the Temporal Wars - an incursion which attempted to put the Kelvin and Prime timelines back into sync).
Assumes much.
ETA: Let me be perfectly clear-the dialog states who this person is, not that this is an image of that person at the time they crossed over. The dialog also states that Yor was an agent in the Temporal Wars. Which means that it is just as likely, if not more so, that the hologram presented is an image of Yor in the uniform he served in as an agent, not what he was recovered in from the Kelvin Timeline.
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Agreed. Thinking logically, there’s no way in hell that Starfleet officers in the Kelvin timeline in 2379 would be wearing a 2363 Prime timeline uniform. By 2379 of the KT, things would have changed so drastically by then that nothing would be recognizable. It’s more likely that Yor was wearing a PT uniform from the era he got stuck in in the PT, most likely the 2360’s. Plus, I don’t believe there was any indication that Yor was even a Starfleet officer in the KT. So why would he be wearing a KT Starfleet uniform?
I am happy that question has been definitively answered. 
Yor was at a pajama party when he found himself pulled out of space and time (as occasionally happens).
The only thing that similarity in ship design features between the Kelvin and Prime timelines indicates is that there's a John Eaves in both timelines.
Hey, if it's on Twitter it HAS to be true....right? 
Pretty much. There's a hypothetical Eaves who designed some ships in the Einstein class era of the early 23rd century that, in the PrimeTime, was mostly dropped in favor of a wide variety of other designs (Disco, TOS), but continued on and evolved in the Kelvinverse. Prodigy just shows that some mid-to-late 24th century designer was looking at the Einstein era for inspiration and aesthetic.
I'm wondering though... perhaps this is low-tech camouflage? The bridge window (from the Disco era), the Einstein nacelles, the small size, all these point to something that is not a threat. Perhaps Starfleet wanted an unassuming, archaic ship to throw people off the scent.
Well, Eaves only designed the shuttles and some of the props in the KT films, none of the starships.
Well, we all know showrunners lie, especially on Twitter.Hey, if it's on Twitter it HAS to be true....right?
Who thought it wasn't in the Prime universe?
I'm sure someone did for reasons.
There have been frequent rumors floating about that Prodigy takes place in the KT because of the very Abramsverse design decisions and visual queues used on the Protostar, particularly the warp engines, which look a LOT like the JJPrise (but smaller).
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